Westley Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 He used a 20 on his lesson but yes I aren't forking out for one Is there any reason why he is unable to use your gun, until you find something suitable ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 (edited) He used a 20 on his lesson but yes I aren't forking out for oneThere was lovely miroku for sale not too long ago, with a shorter stock one issue with shortened stocks is it upsets the balance so adding some lead can help. https://www.guntrader.uk/guns/shotguns/miroku/over-under/12-gauge/7000-161117184904157 Well worth a trip to see Dennis and co if possible Another here https://www.guntrader.uk/guns/shotguns/miroku/over-under/12-gauge/mk-38-grade-1-161031145329004 Edited December 29, 2016 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100milesaway Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 I would strongly advise the 12 bore route especially as it will be used for clays. You don't mention his build but as you say he is 5ft 4" tall he is unlikely to get much taller but will fill out. A 20 bore is great in the field but will knock him about a lot more than any 12 bore after 100 clays. You don't need to spend lots just get him a Berreta , or Browning/Mirouku, 28" with an assortment of chokes, if he gets keen you can always upgrade at a later date. from Auntie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 Totally agree with Auntie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted December 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2016 Is there any reason why he is unable to use your gun, until you find something suitable ? My gun is a bit long for him, maybe an inch and a half.we used 21g size 8 shot cartridges and he really enjoyed it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B25Modelman Posted December 30, 2016 Report Share Posted December 30, 2016 Here we go again on the OLD s/a safety thing. This has been done to death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollieollie Posted December 30, 2016 Report Share Posted December 30, 2016 For what its worth, i only shoot a semi auto. Just IMO an over and under is a better place to start, its easier for a new shooter to learn safe use of a gun. All guns are dangerous not just autos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospero Posted December 31, 2016 Report Share Posted December 31, 2016 I have both and I love them. But a semi auto is fussy to load and handle/clean and not the best option when learning to shoot. When I have taken mates out almost all use the o/u as the semi is too fiddly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B25Modelman Posted December 31, 2016 Report Share Posted December 31, 2016 (edited) I have both and I love them. But a semi auto is fussy to load and handle/clean and not the best option when learning to shoot. When I have taken mates out almost all use the o/u as the semi is too fiddly. hog wash, you have the wrong semi then. Edited December 31, 2016 by B25Modelman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospero Posted December 31, 2016 Report Share Posted December 31, 2016 No I don't. I just think for a learner it's harder to load and use than an o/u. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B25Modelman Posted December 31, 2016 Report Share Posted December 31, 2016 what's so hard about dropping a cartridge into an open orifice and pressing a button. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 31, 2016 Report Share Posted December 31, 2016 No I don't. I just think for a learner it's harder to load and use than an o/u.I agree also had issues with them being cart fussy jamming on the second cart etc Changing carts solves this but not without much frustration on the first few stands, also never seen an instructor pick a semi and take a novice for a lesson with one ( I'm sure there are plenty who will come along and tell me that this rubbish) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelfire1 Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 For what its worth, i only shoot a semi auto. Just IMO an over and under is a better place to start, its easier for a new shooter to learn safe use of a gun. All guns are dangerous not just autos Have to take issue here, NO gun is dangerous, it's the wazock behind it that may be dangerous. As for a semi auto, nowt much wrong with them (just my opinion) but if our friend is shooting 21gm shells will it cycle them ok. That would be my worry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 If your using it for sporting targets use what ever. As long as it's used in a safe and mindful manner. Go for it and have some fun. If however it's Trap disappins then I would strongly recommend an OU. A semi auto will go down like a lead balloon with other shooters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 I agree also had issues with them being cart fussy jamming on the second cart etc Changing carts solves this but not without much frustration on the first few stands, also never seen an instructor pick a semi and take a novice for a lesson with one ( I'm sure there are plenty who will come along and tell me that this rubbish) I used to do taster sessions, the Groupon voucher scheme, nearly always used either a pump or a semi. Most of the time the total beginners are only firing one shot so jams aren't an issue. Cartridge "fussyness" could be an issue but with a semi you can get away with using heavier loads than you would with an O&U so it shouldn't be too much of an issue. When I was doing the taster sessions, if I thought someone was up to shooting a pair I'd simply substitute one of my own loads for one of their 21gm cartridges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buze Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 My wife is a bit shorter than your son, but shoots a 14"1/4 stocked O/U; so don't rush buying the shortest stock you can get as it's not a given he needs such a short one, especially if he shot YOUR gun pretty well to start with! On the other hand, the 21g are likely a good idea -- they won't cycle a semi-auto tho, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 My wife is a bit shorter than your son, but shoots a 14"1/4 stocked O/U; so don't rush buying the shortest stock you can get as it's not a given he needs such a short one, especially if he shot YOUR gun pretty well to start with! On the other hand, the 21g are likely a good idea -- they won't cycle a semi-auto tho, I think. Oh yes they will................................it's Panto time of year ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defender Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 I like my Browning gold sporting clays, easy to load with speed loading. I don't think it liked 24g but I never needed to use any smaller than 28g. The instructor at the clay ground borrowed it a few times for recoil shy novices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted January 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 (edited) My wife is a bit shorter than your son, but shoots a 14"1/4 stocked O/U; so don't rush buying the shortest stock you can get as it's not a given he needs such a short one, especially if he shot YOUR gun pretty well to start with! On the other hand, the 21g are likely a good idea -- they won't cycle a semi-auto tho, I think. . My gun is only 14.5" so I'm sure he will manage ok with it. Will look for him one similar 👍🏼 Edited January 8, 2017 by washerboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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