Rewulf Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/01/jean-claude-juncker-blocked-eu-curbs-on-tax-avoidance-cables-show What I find strange,is its the EU loving Guardian reporting it,somethings afoot methinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Very interesting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 All these wanna be big names making threats about how we won't have a good deal with Brexit. I think there is a good chance by the time Brexit comes around we will be negotiating with an entirely different group of officials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 I said a few months ago that I expect Junckers to be sacrificed so that the EU can be seen to 'reform' to appease the French, Dutch and German voters in their General Elections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 I said a few months ago that I expect Junckers to be sacrificed so that the EU can be seen to 'reform' to appease the French, Dutch and German voters in their General Elections. Yes I remember that, it will be interesting if he has to fall on his sword. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) Nothing in that report surprises me and I'm sure the vast majority of those who voted out are not surprised either, it validates my belief that it's a corrupt organisation that's rotten to the core and that the UK is paying through the nose to shore up other countries interests. Edited January 2, 2017 by 12gauge82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted January 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 I said a few months ago that I expect Junckers to be sacrificed so that the EU can be seen to 'reform' to appease the French, Dutch and German voters in their General Elections. Exactly the way I saw it ,however ,is it not more 'bad press' for the project ? Does it not make it look like exactly what it is ,a corrupt gravy train ,smoothing the way for corporate fat cats? Why is the Guardian the first to report this? And most interesting ,this German source ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Yunker will go because you cant have someone negociating brexit who is 3/4 slaughtered on whiskey at £168 quid a bottle on expenses................. (just on the bye...i hope that bloody christine le-garde gets her cumuppence...gobbing off the brexit crowd.....and now its been found she might have had her fingers in the cookie jar) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Merkel is losing support to far right parties and it is only by being able to demonstrate that she can control the immigration issues that she can retain a majority in their government. Same in France. They need to show that the EU is not more powerful than national governments in this election year of three of the top five powers. Junkers is seen as being the corrupt unacceptable face of the EU. But he certainly won't go quietly so those who want rid of him will have to undermine his position to the point when he has to go or be retired. It is in the interests of Germany, France and Holland to get a more amenable person in charge who can be seen to be listening to the public opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Yunker will go because you cant have someone negociating brexit who is 3/4 slaughtered on whiskey at £168 quid a bottle on expenses................. (just on the bye...i hope that bloody christine le-garde gets her cumuppence...gobbing off the brexit crowd.....and now its been found she might have had her fingers in the cookie jar) They ALL have THEIR FINGERS IN THE COOKIE JAR!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 No surprise there! Newly elected politicians can usually only progress their "career" and get into a position of power by garnering (buying! In some way?) the support and patronage of more powerful politicians, I am of the opinion that all politicians are corrupt, either morally or financially (or both!) and the higher up the ladder they get, the more they have cheated, lied, sold out and sacrificed their integrity to get there!............otherwise how else would they climb the greasy pole? Competence Doesn't "Call the tune" they must always "pay the piper" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 How can anybody be surprised by this 'revelation'? Luxemberg's whole raison de etre has been as Europe's tax avoidance centre since day one. It doesn't really do anything else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bb Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Yes I remember that, it will be interesting if he has to fall on his sword. Junker will NEVER fall on his sword, he simply doesn't understand the concept of honour or honesty. Unfortunately for us, he and his ilk, that piece of excrement from FIFA springs immediately to mind, cannot understand that we think they're in the wrong. It's the way they and their European cronies have been brought up from the cradle and is the way Europe does business. It's partly our own fault, we insist on playing cricket blissfully unaware that the rest of the world's playing baseball. Personally I have no axe to grind regarding immigration although I can't profess to like what's happened to us of late but it's these corrupt people taking our money and writing ridiculous laws THAT ONLY WE OBSERVE that make me want out. And, I want it now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) The analogy with FIFA is relevant in that as well as the visible head there will be layers of subservients below, all taking their cut and looking to climb to the next pay scale. I've said for a while that when the corruption in the EU is unveiled, and it will be in time, it will make FIFA look like a Christmas club fiddle. Junkers will be hard to dislodge. As Chris says he won't go willingly and his supporters will protect him to protect their own interests. That is why the national politicians will try and undermine him by eroding any public support to the point when there are more active detractors than supporters. Many people are reluctant to get involved in these things and it takes a good deal of effort to get them to do something. That is what is happening now. The national politicians who fear an anti-immigration backlash at the polls need to get the EU onside and that will be difficult with the man who refused the British Prime Minister any room for negotiations. Junkers has to go, but it will be a nasty campaign IMO and I reckon that he will reluctantly be forced to take a golden handshake pension before the French elections in May. Edited January 2, 2017 by UKPoacher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Junker is the embodiment of all that is wrong with the EU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Junker will NEVER fall on his sword, he simply doesn't understand the concept of honour or honesty. Unfortunately for us, he and his ilk, that piece of excrement from FIFA springs immediately to mind, cannot understand that we think they're in the wrong. It's the way they and their European cronies have been brought up from the cradle and is the way Europe does business. It's partly our own fault, we insist on playing cricket blissfully unaware that the rest of the world's playing baseball. Personally I have no axe to grind regarding immigration although I can't profess to like what's happened to us of late but it's these corrupt people taking our money and writing ridiculous laws THAT ONLY WE OBSERVE that make me want out. And, I want it now! +1 That is just so spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 When the soviet union collapsed, it happened fairly quickly, the EU is a similar entity, with the characters running it, much like communists, I expect it to collapse in a similar way. If only the eu had stayed within it's supposed original idea, as a non political trading bloc, then I don't think the word brexit would have been invented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 There's the rub. What the EU is becoming was planned in the fifties but for different and much more benign reasons. Back then it was to prevent WW3. Now it is to promote the economic growth of the lager EU economies. Along the way however, the EU has ceased to be subservient to its member states and has acquired a sovereignty of its own. That is the biggest threat to democracy we have ever encountered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 There's the rub. What the EU is becoming was planned in the fifties but for different and much more benign reasons. Back then it was to prevent WW3. Now it is to promote the economic growth of the lager EU economies. Along the way however, the EU has ceased to be subservient to its member states and has acquired a sovereignty of its own. That is the biggest threat to democracy we have ever encountered. Yep,there lies the problem ! Sooner we escape ,the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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