Vince Green Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 This video is about Detroit but it could be about a lot of other places in America. It gives you an insight into why Trump appealed to so many voters in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsid Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 trump is a business man if it can be made in USA it will be. Coventry my home city went through the same plight factories being demolished cars and engineering and replaced with sainsbury tesco etc.and for what ?Awhite elephant called the EU where germany makes everything when it could be made here but the engineering colleges are a shadow of their former selves hopefully now brexit has bbeen voted for we might just get our industrial heretige back and provide that wonder symbol envied across the world MADE IN GT. BRITAIN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 its a few brave decisions away,armsid, sadly may is not a counter radical, she lacks the nous and the desire. A bit like everybody since ww2, incl. thatcher who abolished import tax and allowed us to go downhill, nearly everything I buy is rubbish, apart from high end stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 its a few brave decisions away,armsid, sadly may is not a counter radical, she lacks the nous and the desire. A bit like everybody since ww2, incl. thatcher who abolished import tax and allowed us to go downhill, nearly everything I buy is rubbish, apart from high end stuff. With out stating the obvious--- if everything you buy is rubbish ( your words) , why buy it then? Is it because it's cheap- in which case you know where it's probably manufactured and yet you advocate that 'British' is best!!!!!!!! Just saying..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) what are you talking about? where do I advocate buying british is best? You cant buy it anymore. I said nearly everything I buy is rubbish, it is, its made in china, and lasts 5 minutes, I cant buy british. Try reading before you slag. Edited January 29, 2017 by wandringstar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 When you look back there were a series of wrong decisions All along the line right back to the first world war. When it was clear that we would win WW2 we were to slow to take steps to get our country's industry and economy up and running and either distroyed or gave away our expertise and technology. on into the fifties and sixties and we saw the constant decline of the automobile industry and engineering. Into the seventies and the loss of more industry such as motorbikes and other stuff. Then came the Thatcher era when the idea was that we could survive on the financial and service industry. Then China has been allowed to virtually distroy the value of almost everything to a bargain basement jumble sale. We have ended up with no planes for the navy and even when we do get some there are no aircraft carriers to put them on. We scrap planes that are virtually new and make trained pilots and servicemen redundant and then start advertising for replacements. It's almost like sabotage from the inside. The old boys network kind of thing. Everything seems to be so low geared and inept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennett Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 what the hell are you talking about? where do I advocate buying british is best? You cant buy it anymore. I said nearly everything I buy is rubbish, it is, its made in china, and lasts 5 minutes, I cant buy british you fool. Try reading before you slag. Calm down dear, it's only a forum..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 what the hell are you talking about? where do I advocate buying british is best? You cant buy it anymore. I said nearly everything I buy is rubbish, it is, its made in china, and lasts 5 minutes, I cant buy british you fool. Try reading before you slag. No need for insults! He had a genuine point, if it's rubbish then why buy it? If your reply is because it's all that's available as British made good are no more then fair enough, stop throwing insults and behaving like a child. There was nothing wrong with his question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Calm down dear, it's only a forum..... ok, I did actually edit the post, as I felt I needed to calm down. No need for insults! He had a genuine point, if it's rubbish then why buy it? If your reply is because it's all that's available as British made good are no more then fair enough, stop throwing insults and behaving like a child. There was nothing wrong with his question. ok, lloyd90, fair enough, point taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Something about the way he talks and holds his fingers that makes me cringe about trump big headed twit , don't do politics never have but it's a pity others don't have his ways so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 he has got little hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 wasn't calling him slag, meant read before you slag off, anyway, I am sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Aaah Did I miss some 'fun' Mr Star - was merely interpreting yours and the way you had replied to the previous post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 as I say, I am sorry for being rude, still getting used to the etiquette standard on here, I am on a couple of car forums and its par for the course to have a bit of rough and tumble on there, but not here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Even though I missed the un-edited version it's fine by me. What's it they say about heat and kitchens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 as I say, I am sorry for being rude, still getting used to the etiquette standard on here, I am on a couple of car forums and its par for the course to have a bit of rough and tumble on there, but not here It like that on most American shooting forums. You only have to read some of the agresive replies and stance that some of the posters have whereby they have what might be termed as single minded and outlandish without any understanding of other people's opinions and point of view. It's just a case of shouting and ya bo put downs. I understand that a lot of American industry is now an industrial wasteland but I don't think that some of the government's tactics are suddenly going to revitalise industrial plants back to where they were back when. Nations like China, India and the like are still churning out cheap products and if America blocks them of the goods will go elsewhere and America will have nowhere to export their good to because they are way too much money in comparison with the cheap products from these developing nation economies. Still the government can put the blame on some sort of minority and start ethnic cleansing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 If you debase your currency (through inflation) you empty out the productive capacity of an economy. You then through successive generations of politicians (from all sides, doesn't matter if conservative, labour, liberal, snp or whatever) make promises to pay people money (benefits, government services, military, etc) that has not been earned and saved for so borrow money you drive away more businesses. You then increase taxes to compensate, and debase your currency ,,,,etc etc etc...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Shooter Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 What does America actually need to import? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 trump is a business man if it can be made in USA it will be. Coventry my home city went through the same plight factories being demolished cars and engineering and replaced with sainsbury tesco etc.and for what ?Awhite elephant called the EU where germany makes everything when it could be made here but the engineering colleges are a shadow of their former selves hopefully now brexit has bbeen voted for we might just get our industrial heretige back and provide that wonder symbol envied across the world MADE IN GT. BRITAIN If only it was as black and white as that. Detroit was still making thirsty V8s whilst Japan made fuel efficient cars that didn't rust and were cheaper due to workers council type approach rather than the corrupt US unions. We had teh same issue, combined with a managemnt style at the time that didn't encourage worker participation and didn't invest in new models. Poor quality cars that no one wanted. Same with other industries that were old and inefficient. I could go on. All Maggie did was put a stop to the huge subsidies which meant that the industries were forced to face reality. Management were in many cases as much to blame as the workers. Tony Benn started the rot when he nationalised nearly everything and removed competition. It like that on most American shooting forums. You only have to read some of the agresive replies and stance that some of the posters have whereby they have what might be termed as single minded and outlandish without any understanding of other people's opinions and point of view. It's just a case of shouting and ya bo put downs. I understand that a lot of American industry is now an industrial wasteland but I don't think that some of the government's tactics are suddenly going to revitalise industrial plants back to where they were back when. Nations like China, India and the like are still churning out cheap products and if America blocks them of the goods will go elsewhere and America will have nowhere to export their good to because they are way too much money in comparison with the cheap products from these developing nation economies. Still the government can put the blame on some sort of minority and start ethnic cleansing. Very true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 I think the problem is with all developed countries when we do trade deals with other countries we should insist that all of the workers making all of this stuff are paid the same wage as our workers are being paid the Chinese and lots of other countries destroyed our industry with cheap labour how could anyone compete with people who only pay there workers a fraction of what we do. Having said that there is no reason why lots of these things cannot be made in the UK US etc etc the only problem is most of the work will be done not by people but by robots by that I mean machines. The trough is they say that we will have to move into doing high end work instead of the old manual work ie services computer programming and the like but that only works for a short time as thy will soon learn that there is no reason why they cannot do that also. I should add I am a big Trump fan I just hope that Congress will let him do the good stuff that they need and ditch the rather strange stuff that he also comes up with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Much of Detroit is hollowed out following riots in the past. Much of the centre has now been rebuilt leaving large areas of derelict housing. I once drove my 4x4 into the abandoned railway station and it was like driving into a scene from the end of world.Trying to keep business in the US played a large part in its demise. Globalisation in the car industry, led by the japanese showed how to protect against labour and currency rates, as well as building on cultural values of cars. Coventry is my home town and the demise of the leyland and jaguar land rover brands is another example of protectionist policies in manufacture and union control that undermine competitiveness. Now Tata, BMW (engines and mini) Honda and Nissan have demonstrated how a global approach to manufacturing can work. In a former life I went many times to Detroit and Toledo selling UK companies (from the Black country) that were good at what they made but poorly financed and marketed and too small to compete. As part of larger companies many of these sales have been saved and are now at the top of their game in world markets. We hold back globalisation, speed of connection, the movement of currency and labour at the expense of our competitive edge. Inviting a declining living standard and a marginalisation of our country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 If only it was as black and white as that. Detroit was still making thirsty V8s whilst Japan made fuel efficient cars that didn't rust and were cheaper due to workers council type approach rather than the corrupt US unions. We had teh same issue, combined with a managemnt style at the time that didn't encourage worker participation and didn't invest in new models. Poor quality cars that no one wanted. Same with other industries that were old and inefficient. I could go on. All Maggie did was put a stop to the huge subsidies which meant that the industries were forced to face reality. Management were in many cases as much to blame as the workers. Tony Benn started the rot when he nationalised nearly everything and removed competition. Very true. I think that you will find that the Americans still love there big V8 cars and trucks and I do not think you have had a Jap car as the ones made in Japan do rust have you not seen the about the Nissan puckups that and snapping in half as the chasis rust out Nissan have to buy them back and anyone can sell stuff to other countries all that you have to do is pay your workers £20 per week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 What does America actually need to import? This is it people are thinking that America is the same as the UK we have to export and import to live the fact is for the most part America is so big and if they wanted to they could be self sufficient they have gas oil can grow all of the food that they need it was cheep labour in other countries that was why the big companies moved there factories to Mexico etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 This is it people are thinking that America is the same as the UK we have to export and import to live the fact is for the most part America is so big and if they wanted to they could be self sufficient they have gas oil can grow all of the food that they need it was cheep labour in other countries that was why the big companies moved there factories to Mexico etc. Our standard of living (4 worlds) is so high that we like the US rely on exploiting the rest of the world to maintain our standard. All great empires rise and fall of the back of those weaker than themselves. We are now seeing a leveling of the playing field as the poor nations get richer and the richer get poorer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 there are many factors, but I never believe it when people say it is inevitable, I think that's a mask for the truth. lets talk about the unions, unrealistic wages and working hours. the u.k. miners were fed the lie that they could become rich men digging coal, yeh, I put a lot of the blame with out of control unions, and greed in general. When things go wrong, its usually the basics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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