davewh100 Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 just purchased a nice o/u 410 came with 250 cartridges which came in two different lot's fiocchi no 6 19g 3" and gamebore no6 16g 3" not really up on 410 cartridges what do you lads use will be useing mainly for small virmin, pidgeon,and maybe an odd clay would appreciate any feedback thanks dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lksopener Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 The fiocchis are a very good place to start use them on driven game and they are super. The game bores will be fine too. There aren't a deal of bad commercially loaded shells nowadays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 (edited) Have a look for Neutron619s posts about .410" cartridges, he is new to the bore and working hard to find a usable choke and cartridge set-up. http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/349761-3-410-load-with-full-length-wad/ Edited February 4, 2017 by TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag12g Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 you have good shells there for game or clays maybe the fiocci I would favour, happy shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW95J Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 Express 'Supreme Game' 2.5" 14g 7 FW. Wish everyone would switch to fibre because it's a pain trying to get hold of them! I think they cost me £8 a box but obviously that would go down with quantity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 I wouldn't use a .410 if I had to pay £8 a box for cartridges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 Fiocchi is my main supplier. They have now re introduced that cartridge you have as 18gram ...still the same cartridge, same load. Apparently they found their machine was dropping just under 19grms and feared someone would discover that and play their face. So you now get 18grms on the case but maybe 18.9grms in the shell. I shoot #8 Italian which equates to #7 to #7 1/2 UK, the partridge and pheasant this last season found them adequate :-) I also need a good fibre wad shell and will probably load my own for next game season. Yes, they are a bit more expensive, but I shoot about 750 through a season which comes to around £210( about £10 a day). How much does it cost to go to a major football or rugby match these days ? Shooting a 410 is great fun and shot sensibly will get the job done. Have fun ... oh! try some Clever if you can find some, also a good cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 It's such a change around. Only a few years ago anyone would have been laughed at if you turned up with a 410 on a driven pheasant shoot. It was only used for knocking over the rabbits on the veg patch, bolted rabbits or poachers taking roosting pheasant. 3inch cartridges make it a better gun but used within range it does the job. £8 a box is silly money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPCarter Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 I've found the Fiocchi 3" to be the best, although the Winchester ones are meant to be even better. They should be at about £20 a box though! In 2.5" it's hard to beat the Eley Fourlong and all their 410 cartridges are fibre wad as far as I know. In 410 and 28 gauge I do find plastic wad makes a difference though. Shame, as I hate using them but don't feel quite so bad when it's a small wad and I don't use many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW95J Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 I wouldn't use a .410 if I had to pay £8 a box for cartridges. Yes they were bl**dy expensive but as mentioned it's difficult to find anyone near me that stocks fibre .410 at all. Fortunately at the moment I just occasionally take it out for clays where I can buy plastic cartridges for £6 a box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 Lylevale do, do fibre, but I have no confidence in them doing the job. OK, it can always be the 'nut behind the wheel' I know, but I have given them a good test and they just didn't fold birds like the Fiocchis. I'll hopefully be having discussions at the Shooting Show this Friday with anyone there who does reloading. I'm paying £68 a slab of 250 for Fiocchi. I could actually buy them cheaper but have to drive three times as far to collect them, so maybe more expensive in the long run. Anyone had any success with the cork wads as sold by Clay&Game? Heard they don't seal perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPCarter Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 Cheddite do their Drago 410 cartridge with a cork wad. I've not tested them properly but have used them on clays as my local ground sell them. They do some silly big loads in them too - 18g and 24g I think? They certainly come in 7.5 which will be a UK 7. They are a clear case so you can see just how much they have stuffed in there! Chris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 (edited) That is what the over powder card is for, wad is the cushion. Fes ke.nt do a decent fibre wad in most lengths you could need. Anyone had any success with the cork wads as sold by Clay&Game? Heard they don't seal perfectly. Edited February 5, 2017 by Stonepark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 That is what the over powder card is for, wad is the cushion. Fes ke.nt do a decent fibre wad in most lengths you could need. Eley subsonics, no op card, just the wad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 Eley subsonics, no op card, just the wad. That's because they don't need a good seal (due to low pressure) and it's cheaper to do without it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 I wouldn't use a .410 if I had to pay £8 a box for cartridges. Well plenty around me are prepared to pay £8 a box! I can guarantee everytime I pop into my local supplier for some he's sold out,they go out the door as soon as they come in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 Sub sonics are no good for 35-40yrd pheasants, tested them on wet news paper and they don't penetrate half enough at that range. Cheddite 24gr are sub sonic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 That is what the over powder card is for, wad is the cushion. Fes ke.nt do a decent fibre wad in most lengths you could need. I believe the wad expands to seal the bore and the nitro card is there to support and push the wad forwards. Nitro cards don't expand enough to seal the bore do they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 I believe the wad expands to seal the bore and the nitro card is there to support and push the wad forwards. Nitro cards don't expand enough to seal the bore do they? Nitro card is larger diameter than wad and acts as the seal, when I am reloading, the nitro card needs pressure to seat and expel air, fibre wad just slips in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 In commercial loaders, the fibre wad needs to go on easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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