bullet1747 Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 If some reloads ammo and they don't have the calibre on ticket how would you go about selling them , is it illegal to make rounds for someone if they buy the parts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 (edited) You cannot sell rounds you make. If you do and something happens you'll wish you hadn't. I guess, provided they hold all the components and bring everything with them and when they're finished they take everything away again it would be acceptable. No money should change hands and they should be of the understanding that the use of them is entirely at their own risk. Edited February 19, 2017 by mick miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 To be legal the person who you were making the ammunition for with the calibre on his fac would need to be present whilst the ammunition was being made and would need to take all such ammo away with them when they depart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 (edited) you need the calibre of the bullets your in possession of, thus the ones your reloading, A chap locally got in big trouble as he had bullets not on his ticket, given by a mate to reload, he lost his license, I'm not sure if how it was that the police were inspecting his bullets or how it came about but it was a whole lot of trouble for the chap. But as said in previous posts maybe if the person your reloading for is with you and he has them on his ticket, question is, who is in possession while your reloading. Edited February 18, 2017 by Redgum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 If some reloads ammo and they don't have the calibre on ticket how would you go about selling them , is it illegal to make rounds for someone if they buy the parts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 You get caught with stuff you've not got permission to have you may be sharing a cell with Big Bubba Daddy. Easy way round it. Let the guy use your reloading gear and show him how to go on. Anything goes wrong it's up to them not you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 you need the calibre of the bullets your in possession of, thus the ones your reloading, A chap locally got in big trouble as he had bullets not on his ticket, given by a mate to reload, he lost his license, I'm not sure if how it was that the police were inspecting his bullets or how it came about but it was a whole lot of trouble for the chap. But as said in previous posts maybe if the person your reloading for is with you and he has them on his ticket, question is, who is in possession while your reloading. Can I just clarify something here ,if you are in possession of the 'bullet ' ie the bullet 'head' and you are not licensed for that calibre,that is an offence ? Obviously the case doesnt apply,or the powder and primers ect, and obviously if you have a completed, reloaded bullet in a calibre you are not licensed for ,that would be an offence. So is it the bullet that makes it illegal ,or the assembly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wascal Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Can I just clarify something here ,if you are in possession of the 'bullet ' ie the bullet 'head' and you are not licensed for that calibre,that is an offence ? Obviously the case doesnt apply,or the powder and primers ect, and obviously if you have a completed, reloaded bullet in a calibre you are not licensed for ,that would be an offence. So is it the bullet that makes it illegal ,or the assembly? home office guidance - ‘Ammunition’ means ammunition for any firearm and includes grenades, bombs and other like missiles, whether capable of use with a firearm or not; and also includes prohibited ammunition. It should be noted that the definition of ammunition does not include ingredients and components of ammunition; it is only assembled ammunition that is controlled under the Act, not component parts. Empty cartridge cases, for example, are not ‘ammunition’ so - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 home office guidance - ‘Ammunition’ means ammunition for any firearm and includes grenades, bombs and other like missiles, whether capable of use with a firearm or not; and also includes prohibited ammunition. It should be noted that the definition of ammunition does not include ingredients and components of ammunition; it is only assembled ammunition that is controlled under the Act, not component parts. Empty cartridge cases, for example, are not ‘ammunition’ so - WRONG. Walk into your local RFD and try and buy a Calibre Projectile you don't have on your face !!!!! Unless they are Target/Match or non expanding Projectiles . Rewulf and replys above are correct and legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wascal Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 WRONG. Walk into your local RFD and try and buy a Calibre Projectile you don't have on your face !!!!! Unless they are Target/Match or non expanding Projectiles . Rewulf and replys above are correct and legal. Look again!! I copied direct from the home office guidance The OP was talking about calibre not S5 expanding which is still prohibited without a seperate auth on your ticket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Look again!! I copied direct from the home office guidance The OP was talking about calibre not S5 expanding which is still prohibited without a seperate auth on your ticket Reading my reply correctly. More importantly read and fully understand the OP questions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 WRONG. Walk into your local RFD and try and buy a Calibre Projectile you don't have on your face !!!!! Unless they are Target/Match or non expanding Projectiles . Rewulf and replys above are correct and legal. So an RFD will not sell you bullets that are not on your ticket,that sounds quite reasonable. Section 5 ammo aside though,possession of the odd bullet 'head' shouldnt be an offence surely? Im sure you could buy NATO 7.62 inert cartridge belts for fashion purposes,complete with FMJ bullet attached. Ive seen so many inert projectiles on desks and mantelpieces ,from .303 to 105mm ,surely they cant all be licensed ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Doesn't ammunition loaded for sale to another require batch proof testing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 My two penneth worth. Unless sec 5 expanding then holding / obtaining components isn't against the law- unless things have changed in the last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 So an RFD will not sell you bullets that are not on your ticket,that sounds quite reasonable. Section 5 ammo aside though,possession of the odd bullet 'head' shouldnt be an offence surely? Im sure you could buy NATO 7.62 inert cartridge belts for fashion purposes,complete with FMJ bullet attached. Ive seen so many inert projectiles on desks and mantelpieces ,from .303 to 105mm ,surely they cant all be licensed ? If you read my reply is stated " Unless target match or non expanding Projectiles. So we are saying the same thing. I know longer have a. 25-06 or .300 Win-Mag on my fac IF i had 1 of each in expanding Projectiles I'd be breaking the law. If my mate dropped all components off and i loaded them wrong breaking the law. Now the .257 Projectile is non expanding fine now law broken But i now load them wrong I've broken the law. Home loaded ammunition it is against the law to sell unless it's been tested eg like the Custom loading companies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Hi Thought there was a rule that stated until the case is primed It then counted as part of your ammunition allowance Anyway all food for thoughts I reload for 222. .224 heads on my ticket no problem if however I clear up the range and bring home all the empty cases (scrap) and there are 22.250 cases among them I could potentially be the wrong side of the rules Same heads but not a caliber I'm permitted as the same heads would work in most 22cf cases Just a thought All the best Of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 There is no section 5 ammunition it's been reclassified as section 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 has that gone through yet? didn't think it had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 No, not yet Sparkie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 (edited) @rewulf there is no such thing as a bullet 'head', it's just a bullet. The complete assembly is a cartridge or round. The 'head' of a cartridge is the other end. You don't need to add the word 'head', when you say bullet, everyone with half a brain knows to which part of a cartridge you refer. This common, unnecessary and UK specific error needs to be stamped out. Edited February 23, 2017 by mick miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 There is no section 5 ammunition it's been reclassified as section 1 And pistol expanding calibre bullets will remain as section 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 @rewulf there is no such thing as a bullet 'head', it's just a bullet. The complete assembly is a cartridge or round. The 'head' of a cartridge is the other end. You don't need to add the word 'head', when you say bullet, everyone with half a brain knows to which part of a cartridge you refer. This common, unnecessary and UK specific error needs to be stamped out. Dont want to start an argument here. I am well aware of the different terms of parts of a cartridge I used the term 'head' in commas ,just in case there was any confusion about what I was referring to. You would be surprised to know how many people there are out there with 'half a brain' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 And pistol expanding calibre bullets will remain as section 5. Still looking forward to seeing how/where they're going to draw the line between pistol and rifle ammo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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