propercartridges Posted March 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 no i have 12 pallets of swag coming and was wondering when the import duty would be due if any thanks for all your helpfull replys cheers george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 It would be better to ask why they can make the components on the continent and we can't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaphead Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 yes slaphead but do you not think the prices are high now for carts nevermind import duty been put on as well i used to import about 400 4x4s a year and the rates were between 10 and 22 per cent plus vat We're getting punished purely because the £ went to **** against the euro when brexit was voted for. Once we have some stability again and the £ gets some value back against the euro.. which it will.. prices "should" fall unless the companies want to profiteer.... That said, it may promote more uk manfacturing.. who knows.. Most of the stuff I deal in in my shop is bought in the euro and dollar so Ive seen massive price increases across the board and more than once since brexit. however, i do believe we will be stronger for it once the dust settles... make the most of it george and if you can undercut the giants then im sure youll be expanding fast (and not only from beer and pies either ) My local place will price match anyone else on a like for like basis so for clay carts I dont seem to do too badly at about £175/1000 for express power reds 27g However, my pigeon carts have gone up to about £212/1000 I believe for eley pigeon select.. I dont buy the most expensive because I have been known to be a **** shot on pigeons (although I do ok on clays funnily enough... go figure) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 No matter what the price of the components are unless the £\$ exchange rate picks up cartridges are going to stay expensive or increase in price. Wads , shell cases , are all oil based and the costs of oil for transport are all dependant on the £\$ exchange rate. Lead too is bought and sold in dollars. Until and if we are able to get out economy up and equaling what it was a year ago then the price of cartridges is going to go one way and that is up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaphead Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 stevo i have searched other than a few fibre wads there is nothing cheap or made in uk for to be sold on please believe me And there is your niche... if you make them... they will come!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted March 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 thats why i havent incresed mine if i can buy lead i should be on the pigs back but its when and how much to buy knowing my luck i will buy a heap then it will fall again then leave it and will go up might as well go to the casino more fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaphead Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Thats business for you isn't it... like choosing your field for shooting.. you cant 100% guarantee a thing (well, I cant anyway lol) Id say you're going to be safe for a good year or so before the £ starts to get stronger.. maybe 2-3 years.. who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovercoupe Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 Where are all the chinese cartridges or components? They seem to make everything else in the world! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 George import duty will be kept low at about 5 % and it's not due for another two years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 Rover that's my thoughts too. Chinese carts and components. Remember Baikals carts the Russian economy and currency is down so there stuff should be cheap to buy. George get onto China and see about getting wads made and shipped to order. They shoot in Asia and won't get bits from Europe so manufacturing of the components is already established. Not many shooter know what wad or how it patterns in the carts they shoot, so long as it goes bang and stuff your pointing at falls out the sky or falls over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 It all depends if it's going to be an hard brexit or just a soft brexit (Norway/Switzerland style). The former will undoubtly increase prices and import tax to the level of export they have for other countries outside EU (i.e. premium goods); if the latter instead, there should be no material changes so long as UK respects the four pillars of EU constitution....much like Norway does. Basically , the more restriction UK puts in place the higher the costs of import will be; it's fairly easy despite what TMay may say. Unfortunately the market in UK is extremely small, especially for components so, there will be reduced choice which, in turns, means higher prices. Manufacturer in EU might not see the market as appealing as it's now because for the few Kg of powder we might buy privately, they will only really make money on what they can sell to the carts manufacturer. RFD will not stock either so, there will be a fight for components too. Also, hulls primer, wads: not a great tradition of making functional stuff here so, not sure how will the market react to the lack of components or its price; even thinking of making some will become unviable due to price of machinery and materials. Powders: you had Nobel Glasgow (great producer in my memories) ...but let it go busted... I am not sure Powders can be manufactured here again but i suspect EU powders will be pretty much at the same level as US one (£50/lbs) or so.... unless good old Trumpy decides to slash export duty to UK and provide us with all their reloading material on a cheap. As far as i travelled i know that Fiocchi and B&P cartridges, likewise B&P and NS powders can be found from the arabs countries all the way up to Russia's Siberia and the small countries over there; i am not sure about China, but i couldn't see how that would be different given they like EU products and i never heard of a valid manufacturer over there. Surely , if they had one, it would be the main supplier of the shooting team but i don't recall seeing it on any shooting competition (but i might be wrong) The only other option 'really' (unless you can make it in China) is that Scotland separate from the UK and join the EU: the import charge will be same as now and you can have a wee drive up to pick up stuff LOL As far as i travelled i know that Fiocchi and B&P cartridges, likewise B&P and NS powders can be found all the way up to Russia and the arabs countries; i am not sure about China, but i couldn't see how that would be different given Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 https://www.dutycalculator.com/new-import-duty-and-tax-calculation/ Even at my level of reloading I've already bulk bought the components I buy from Europe before we leave the EU, several thousand Nosler custom competition bullets in various weights and calibres, brass cases etc. etc. I'm probably going to order more as one of my clubs is interested in doing the same as a group buy for our members, whatever happens with the EU buying now will be a lot cheaper than buying the same things in 2 years time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 hello, just to say i have done some searches on the chinese manufacture of shotgun cartriges and only 1 came up, lead and steel shot came up, wads and such like did not show, there was a manufacture in turkey, the last time i made a visit to china some 5 years ago my friend said the goverment has banned all weapon ownership but not sure if this was correct but i could not find any retailer of weapons or sporting goods, i have never seen any chinese shooters in the olympic games? although i stand corrected if anyone knows better. i might add my friends family farm in a village way up in the countryside north west of Nanning more being a cooperative of small farms planting what we know as corn (corn on the cob type) and she mention shooting birds when growing up, my suggestion to george is to contact the chinese embassy in london, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 I would like to be more positive and if duty is added pushing up the prices then why will we not manufacture in the uk? Gamebore already make their own shot and plastic wads. How hard is it to invest in an injection moulding machine? We may even see the likes of one or two of the really big players, Nobel Sport, Fiocchi, invest to do just that, setup to make primers, cases, wads, shot and powder especially if the duty gives a far greater opportunity to make bigger profits per pound invested. The machines to do so are out their and we are not just talking shotgun cartridges but ammunition for sporting, military and police bet it all adds up to a tidy sum otherwise their would not be so many manufactures wanting to make or supply the UK today. Time will tell, something no one can buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 (edited) Wool wads and make your own black powder. For shot any old lead will do. There are plenty of countries outside the European that manufacture carts powders and all other components. Markets will change as for costs we will just have to wait and see as rip off Britain may change. Plenty of polymer is made in the U.K. So plenty of injection moulding machines will exist just not tooled for wads. Bring back Baikal Records. Edited April 2, 2017 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 why do you say that steveo the imported ones will have duty on them as well the carts were only cheap when the euro was good on the exchange rate where r all the cheap carts now since the euro has changed in value Pound has changed value...not Euro. Down. IMHO.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 Give it time and there is a chance stuff will not be priced in euros. Everything to do with the EU, a bunch of us talked about 10-12yrs ago has come to pass. The next 10 years is going to be very volatile. The German and French elections are going to be very interesting. I remember petrol at 3 shillings and 9 pence a gallon and when it went up to 10 shillings a gallon the world was going to end. Nowt any of us can do about it. This ain't a rehearsal, just get on and enjoy every day as best you can, because I can tell you time passes way too quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 At this stage nobody knows . Thats it . No doubt will be told all sorts of things by those that either have vested interest or see it as a way to make a few extra bucks . Only time will tell . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 I wouldn't use shells from Asia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 I wouldn't use shells from Asia. +1 ther eis a reason why these markets have disapperaed and only few erupoean makers own the whole of market.... yeah sure, anyone who's playde the 'little chemist' and ha seitehr eestudied chemistry or is willing to learn from the internet can make some black powder (afterall is only a combination of sulfur, carbon and potassim nitrate)but would that be the solution? Also, why would european manufacturer set up shop in Uk? When will they be able to absorb the cost of setting new offices, production sites, adapt to different tax regimes, tec. The market is minimal from a reloading perspective and the manufacturers will need these components anyway. the only changes are in the taxes...but the cost will not affect the manufaturere themselves as the rise will be pased down to the end users. What i see possible is the wad production but again, there will be the need for engineers to design new model (current ones are under patent protection) ... figure out what polymer hardness is required to guarantee a certain pressure (yes! wads affect pressure!!!! ) ...etc. All this comes at a cost, as well! so... Hope it will be a soft brexit and nothing will change (too much) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 (edited) Don't see it as so negative continental shooter, Game bore are already making their own plastic wads their is a video on their website showing them doing so. As to patent protection that only last so long I would guess it may have expired. if the UK market is so minimal why are their so many makers so keen to do business in the UK? We led the world in black powder manufacture during the tin mining days in Cornwall with manufacturing sites across the UK. If the profit is their then business will find away, who's to say that government money will not be made available for such ventures in munitions if it looks that supply to our armed forces is at risk. Post BREXIT potentially whole new game. Edited April 2, 2017 by rbrowning2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 possibly ... but too many thing on the plate post brexit to think 'shooting' Manufacturers like it here because of the driven shoots that guarantee a big chunk of shells fired every year; and the tourists especially up here. But for home loaders is a totaly different ball game! There is here a fracion of what you could find in France or Italy ... and i am not sure it will become 'more available' post brexit... that's all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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