ilovemyheckler Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 My current SGC exires on 17th April 2017 I applied for a new one on 3rd January 2017 As I haven't received my new one I rang the local firearms department and was told that a ne sgc had been issued to the local officer who would contact me in due course to arrange home visit to check my gun, security etc. However, due to workload and holidays it was unlikely that this would be before the 17th April. I asked if they would issue a temporary certificate but was told they don't issue temporary certificates under any circumstances. I was then told not to worry as I can continue to shoot and take my own gun to shooting grounds as my new certificate was valid (they gave me the new certificate number and expiry date) and the police operated a data base system for shotgun certificates so if I was stopped all I hade to do was give my name and address and the police officer could quickly check that I had a licence using the police data base. Is this correct? I thought all certificate holders had to have a valid certificate in their possession every time they took their gun out. Advice appreciated. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 No it isn't correct. If they can't supply your ticket by the due date, it's their problem they have to issue you a section 7 or you are in possession of your guns illegally. They are just trying to save on paperwork. If you are a member of a shooting organisation get onto them a.s.a.p. They'll be all over this nonsense. You don't have to be in possession of it every time you take a gun out, but you do have to have one, not the promise of one. Don't take no for an answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 As above. No valid ticket be it temp/sec 7 or full SGC. Your the one breaking the law mucker. I would demand one personally. But failing that if you don't feel you can take that kind of stance with them I recommend you lodge them with RFD or a mate. As said don't take no for an answer you have every right to a temp cert. What force is it anyway ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 Had this on my last license, BASC advise me that by the police saying my license was granted but just waiting for FEO to visit legally didn't mean a thing and you need to possess your license. They gave me two email address for a complaints procedure, this I did and the police had the license to me in few days. Complaining will not mean your license will go to the bottom of the pile or make things harder for you, contact your shooting organisation in the first instance. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 What force is it anyway ? His location in his profile is NE Scotland . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovemyheckler Posted April 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 It's Gloucestershire - profile needs changing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 surely your SGC is only a valid document once you have signed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie&bezza Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 Kent send me a temp within a week of send I can my renewal. I didn't even ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 If you have applied to renew in the allotted time then they are lawfully bound to issue a S7 if your new tickets wont be issued prior to expiry. You are entitled to a S7; ensure you receive one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 It's Gloucestershire - profile needs changing! I'm with Gloucestershire as well, you prob read my earlier post, I was only praising them the other day as had a one for one variation turned around in a few days as they have been bad in the past. Are you a member of Basc or the like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 It's Gloucestershire - profile needs changing! Oh right. I'm on my mobile so I can't see your location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovemyheckler Posted April 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 I have emailed BASC so hopefully they will advise early next week I will update once I get a reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 Yet again the licence authority failing,how many more times do we have to hear this nonesense.We were promised it was going to improve,but clearly not! Shooting organisations 'get you finger out your **** and get it sorted !' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandspider Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 My tickets were issued before the expiry date, but not in my possession until after the expiry date. My force (Gwent) said this was fine as the tickets had been issued, even though they weren't actually with me, when I asked for a S7... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 Seems perfectly sensible and helpful advice from your licensing department. And no, you don't have to have your valid FAC in your possession when taking your gun out. Remember also, that when the new imminent rules become law, all FAC's and SGC's will be valid for 8 weeks after expiry IF the renewal was done within the correct timeframe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 Seems perfectly sensible and helpful advice from your licensing department. And no, you don't have to have your valid FAC in your possession when taking your gun out. Remember also, that when the new imminent rules become law, all FAC's and SGC's will be valid for 8 weeks after expiry IF the renewal was done within the correct timeframe. When will that come in to practice then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 Mine ran out in November last year, no temp cert, I was told by a gent at staffs who's name and contact details I made a note of (and he was aware of that and the reason why) He said don't worry, it's not been revoked. Your licence will be processed as soon as possible, and to just make sure I have enough time bullets for my needs. I found them very helpfull, and fully understood that they are doing all they could to resolve the issue's they face. I received my license back in January 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalahari Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) It may not affect you but you can't hold expanding ammunition on a section 7. David. Edited April 12, 2017 by Kalahari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 When will that come in to practice then. I believe it is now law as the Police and Crime Act 2017 has now received royal assent. This is the relevant section................ Limited extension of firearm certificates etc(1)After section 28A of the Firearms Act 1968 (certificates: supplementary) insert— “28BCertificates: limited extension(1)This section applies where— (a)an application is made for the renewal of a certificate on or before the day which falls 8 weeks before the day at the end of which the certificate is due to expire, but (b)the chief officer of police does not determine whether or not to grant the application before the certificate is due to expire. (2)The certificate continues in force by virtue of this subsection until whichever of the following events occurs first— (a)the chief officer determines whether or not to grant the application; (b)the extension period ends. (3)In subsection (2), “the extension period” means the period of 8 weeks beginning with the day after the day at the end of which the certificate was due to expire. (4)If the event mentioned in subsection (2)(a) occurs first, and the chief officer grants the application, any period for which the certificate continued in force under subsection (2) is to be treated for the purposes of section 28A(1) as part of the period for which the renewed certificate is in force. (5)This section does not apply in relation to the renewal of a certificate granted or last renewed in Northern Ireland.” (2)In consequence of the amendment made by subsection (1), in section 28A of that Act (certificates: supplementary), after subsection (1) insert— “(1A)Subsection (1) is subject to the provision made by section 28B for circumstances in which a certificate may continue in force after the period of five years from the date when it was granted or last renewed.” Limited extension of firearm certificates etc (1)After section 28A of the Firearms Act 1968 (certificates: supplementary) insert— “28BCertificates: limited extension (1)This section applies where— (a)an application is made for the renewal of a certificate on or before the day which falls 8 weeks before the day at the end of which the certificate is due to expire, but (b)the chief officer of police does not determine whether or not to grant the application before the certificate is due to expire. (2)The certificate continues in force by virtue of this subsection until whichever of the following events occurs first— (a)the chief officer determines whether or not to grant the application; (b)the extension period ends. (3)In subsection (2), “the extension period” means the period of 8 weeks beginning with the day after the day at the end of which the certificate was due to expire. (4)If the event mentioned in subsection (2)(a) occurs first, and the chief officer grants the application, any period for which the certificate continued in force under subsection (2) is to be treated for the purposes of section 28A(1) as part of the period for which the renewed certificate is in force. (5)This section does not apply in relation to the renewal of a certificate granted or last renewed in Northern Ireland.” (2)In consequence of the amendment made by subsection (1), in section 28A of that Act (certificates: supplementary), after subsection (1) insert— “(1A)Subsection (1) is subject to the provision made by section 28B for circumstances in which a certificate may continue in force after the period of five years from the date when it was granted or last renewed.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 It may not affect you but you can't hold expanding ammunition on a section 7. David. I presume this no longer applies as expanding rifle ammo is no longer classified as section 5. 129Controls on ammunition which expands on impact(1)The Firearms Act 1968 is amended in accordance with subsections (2) and (3). (2)In section 5 (weapons subject to general prohibition), in subsection (1A), for paragraph (f) substitute— “(f)any ammunition which is designed to be used with a pistol and incorporates a missile designed or adapted to expand on impact;”. (3)In section 5A (exemptions from requirement of authority under section 5), in subsection (8)(a), after “which”, in the first place it occurs, insert “is designed to be used with a pistol and”. (4)In consequence of the amendment made by subsection (2), omit section 9 of the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalahari Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 I know it has received royal assent, but has it had final approval in Parliament. I thought that there was still one stage to go. David. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 It may not affect you but you can't hold expanding ammunition on a section 7. David. I keep hearing this but know plenty of people who do and did, including myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenholland Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 every ten years would help one can dream, if only, b a s c how are we doing on this one david. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalahari Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 I agree about the ten years, but I sort of need to get elected first! David. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 I know it has received royal assent, but has it had final approval in Parliament. I thought that there was still one stage to go. David. For that particular section I believe it becomes operative on the 6th May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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