French terror shooting and election

[Mungler]

This isn't designed to be one of those threads.

 

I'm genuinely interested to see what the French do at the polls.

 

What Brexit and Trump have told us is that when people vote in private, they let it all out.

 

I reckon the far right could do it - I also think that France may have just about had enough; just for starters, the proliferation of AK47s and shooters appears to show that the whole open boarder 'thing' ain't working for them.

 

I always had it in mind that if the right get into France, that's the end of Europe. It'll make Brexit less interesting that's for sure.

[ditchman]

thats about what i think to.................as said its going to be a very eye opening experience........love to be a fly on the wall in the vaults of the EU.......twitchy bum time i rekon..

[TIGHTCHOKE]

House of cards!

[wandringstar]

I just spent a few minutes having a google cram on the French election process, and the candidates.

 

Its an unusual procedure, having two elections, however, I read marine le-pen's manifesto, its hard to see the 'far right' in it, it just seems that she is trying to balance the damage done by years of the 'far left', much like what has been inflicted on the rest of the west. Maybe she is just regular 'right wing' and this term 'far right' is a media creation to try and make people think she is like you know who. Difficult to see how she could be the end of Europe in all honesty.

 

The polls have been terribly inaccurate up to now, but I have a feeling like you, that this could be the hat-trick for the underdogs.

 

Very interesting times politically, and strangely, I am not getting bored with it all.

Edited April 21, 2017 by wandringstar

[Vince Green]

This shooting will certainly shift support behind the policies of LePen. Even the decision in this country to hold a snap election works in LePen's favour.

The French look over the channel and see a strong woman getting things done, taking care of business. Then they look at Hollande and Sarcozie and see the same old posturing and indecision that has blighted French politics for decades.

 

The French are going to kick against it

Edited April 21, 2017 by Vince Green

[inthedark]

House of cards!

 

˄ ˄ ˄ This is bang on the money.

 

As far as the election goes, I think they want to elect her but they haven't got the spine for it and they'll end up with Macron.

 

I also think that they would do well to go for Le Pen, but if they do we'll have to be ready to put some extra security on the tunnel because I don't think she'll care where the people she doesn't want end up

[Vince Green]

I just spent a few minutes having a google cram on the French election process, and the candidates.

 

Its an unusual procedure, having two elections, however, I read marine le-pen's manifesto, its hard to see the 'far right' in it, it just seems that she is trying to balance the damage done by years of the 'far left', much like what has been inflicted on the rest of the west. Maybe she is just regular 'right wing' and this term 'far right' is a media creation to try and make people think she is like you know who. Difficult to see how she could be the end of Europe in all honesty.

 

The polls have been terribly inaccurate up to now, but I have a feeling like you, that this could be the hat-trick for the underdogs.

 

Very interesting times politically, and strangely, I am not getting bored with it all.

LePen's father was quite radically far right but the party has made a big effort to move into the mainstream. Like in Britain people in France want control back from the EU and she is tapping into the popular mood.

 

Even if she doesn't win she will change the political landscape

Edited April 21, 2017 by Vince Green

[wandringstar]

but she is not her father, its an irrelevance.

[inthedark]

Come on you members living in France, let's have some 'boots on the ground' input

[Vince Green]

but she is not her father, its an irrelevance.

In French politics its not an irrelevance, In many ways it was her name that got her to where she is today. She is a LePen, that counts a lot IMO, that name had been at the heart of French right wing politics for decades. Not just her father, her aunt as well.

 

It gives her a lot of credibility in a country where female politicians don't traditionally get much of a look in.

Edited April 21, 2017 by Vince Green

[wandringstar]

oh I see, i thought you were meaning that she is tainted by her father, but you are looking at it the other way, i understand now.

[four-wheel-drive]

I just spent a few minutes having a google cram on the French election process, and the candidates.

 

Its an unusual procedure, having two elections, however, I read marine le-pen's manifesto, its hard to see the 'far right' in it, it just seems that she is trying to balance the damage done by years of the 'far left', much like what has been inflicted on the rest of the west. Maybe she is just regular 'right wing' and this term 'far right' is a media creation to try and make people think she is like you know who. Difficult to see how she could be the end of Europe in all honesty.

 

The polls have been terribly inaccurate up to now, but I have a feeling like you, that this could be the hat-trick for the underdogs.

 

Very interesting times politically, and strangely, I am not getting bored with it all.

I think it is the same with Le Pen as it was with Trump and Corbyn it does not matter what they say or what they put in there manifesto the media and the opposition jump on the things that they think that they can slag them off with in the hope that the voters will not look at what they want to do as it is fare from the bad rubbish that they try to tell everyone that it is.

[Jaymo]

From my friends over there ( I moved back recently) the feeling ( up until last night) was that Hollande is their worst choice ever and would prefer a corrupt politician of him or his ilke any day.

Le Pen is viewed with scepticism in that although outwardly she is projection a just right of centre position on the whole, she has 'history' and the undertones of her other policies might be a step too far.

The belief was that her and Fillon were going to go through to the second round and the Fillon would take it.

Then came the investigation into Fillons dealings and he dropped out of favour for Macron- but as in my opening paragraph, they have short memories/ability to overlook, hence Fillon is making a comeback.

 

None of my 'friends' or in fact anyone else I spoke too ever openly said they would vote 'Le Pen'

Now, just like the division of the UK in hardline Labour or Tory areas whereby if a rabbit was fielded they would still vote for their particular party- this is also possibly the same for the area that I happened to live in the South?

Other more 'affected' areas might still go for the far right choice?

 

This is how it was explained to me/ I understood , from my particular friends.

 

On a separate note- the prevalence of AK's is not a recent 'open border' thing, many rumours abound to surplus from the Balkans conflict being acquired.

[inthedark]

 

On a separate note- the prevalence of AK's is not a recent 'open border' thing, many rumours abound to surplus from the Balkans conflict being acquired.

 

IIRC that dodgy geezer from York guns was moving AK's around the world by the 100,000 and they kept disappearing

[scobydog]

 

IIRC that dodgy geezer from York guns was moving AK's around the world by the 100,000 and they kept disappearing

The guy that had Interarms in Manchester had @ 250,00 of them at one point, I wonder where they have all gone. As a side note he used to be in our shooting syndicate and do demos with rare guns for the members.

 

S

[Scully]

 

IIRC that dodgy geezer from York guns was moving AK's around the world by the 100,000 and they kept disappearing

 

I recall that 'dodgy geezer' when he was a young ( ish ) lad working in York Guns when it was a 'proper' gunshop down that back street I used to frequent in York itself. Couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke.

I'm hoping Mungler is right and the entire EU starts to unravel. Even though I voted to leave, I was never too concerned what the result was ( and said so throughout ) as I genuinely believe the entire farce that is the EU is unsustainable and will break up within my lifetime. As that bloke said, 'you can fool some of the folk some of the time, but you can't fool all the folk, all of the time'. I think we've been taken for fools quite long enough. I'm hoping the French will call time too.

[muffin]

Was a good gun shop that pub down road was ok as well if I remember correctly

[figgy]

I hope the French do call time on the eu. The amount of terroist attacks on their people is beyond what I thought would happen. The current French government seem incapble of doing anything.

[Jaymo]

If they are home grown then what does being in/out of the EU have to do with the price of Garlic?

[wandringstar]

She's got the nod for the run off, but I think a hatchet job could happen now, like what happened to her dad in 2002, this macron is the same old song, a liberal with a different name, and the media will make it seem like the natural thing for anyone to do would be to vote him in to stop her, I see it as france's chance, but I think they will gang up and block her, I may be wrong, things are a lot different nowadays.

[toontastic]

She's got the nod for the run off, but I think a hatchet job could happen now, like what happened to her dad in 2002, this macron is the same old song, a liberal with a different name, and the media will make it seem like the natural thing for anyone to do would be to vote him in to stop her, I see it as france's chance, but I think they will gang up and block her, I may be wrong, things are a lot different nowadays.

This time you're not wrong, one of the losers is already urging his voters to get behind the centralist candidate

[wandringstar]

But he is not what they think, he is a good buddy of hollande, people may well fall for it, and miss their chance, if they cant see it, then they will deserve what they get.

[inthedark]

She's got the nod for the run off, but I think a hatchet job could happen now, like what happened to her dad in 2002, this macron is the same old song, a liberal with a different name, and the media will make it seem like the natural thing for anyone to do would be to vote him in to stop her, I see it as france's chance, but I think they will gang up and block her, I may be wrong, things are a lot different nowadays.

 

You keep booting the liberals, but surely the centre path would give everybody the best of both worlds?

[toontastic]

 

You keep booting the liberals, but surely the centre path would give everybody the best of both worlds?

The far left want out the eu, the far right want out the eu the centralist parties want a stronger eu. Perhaps le pen should make the Election about one issue and maybe draw leftist support to achieve a aim of both extremes.

[wandringstar]

You keep booting the liberals, but surely the centre path would give everybody the best of both worlds?

But its the same as what they have now, he served under hollande, centrist is just a term to make people think its all nice and safe, the first to congratulate macron, was hollande, he shouldn't be in the run off, people have fallen for it, it should have been a straight run off between the centre right fillon, and the right wing of le pen, its classic establishment working out a way to hang on to power.