Nurses parking at Hospitals

[lksopener]

My wife pays for her NHS parking. But it is £20 a month salary sacrifice (better than paying tax on it I guess).

Ask your wife to check how that salary sacrifice will affect her pension.

[Mark74]

As others have said along with most Government agencies NHS staff have had little pay increase over past 8 years, in fact taking inflation into account it's a cut. Of course staff could leave or go and work for bank agencies to get better pay. But really the Government need to start recognising we need to provide encouragement to get people into Nursing etc because we NEED them. If a nurse or Dr leaves you can't just go hire one from the job centre. Stop all the unnecessary pen pushing jobs & stop the folly of bank staff and just pay the Nurses what they are worth. As has been said in this thread, it's not a job many would want to do.

My wife is an HCA and gets punched, kicked, bitten, vomited on a regular basis and has seen her ward staffing halves in 10 years.

Obviously she should get at least £10,000 increase!!!

But seriously, NHS staff for the most part feel so undervalued, particularly by Government which is such a shame. Its reward is in helping people but financial benefits and morale must be maintained to keep our hospitals staffed

[Yellow Bear]

Whilst agreeing that some public service employees do warrant a pay rise I would like to point out to the those that think the private sector is doing better the situation there is no better.

During the period of the last "socialist" administration most of the private sector not in large unions had a virtual pay freeze. From a personal point of view, during the period 99 to 09, unlike the public services who had yearly increases at about inflation or more (I know this because my wife was an NHS employee), I had, along with most in my industry, only 3 awards none of which even matched inflation.

So swings and roundabouts I would say over the last 20 years the public services have done marginally better than the bulk of the private sector who have been equally hit by "austerity" caused by Liebour overspend.

[Mark74]

Whilst agreeing that some public service employees do warrant a pay rise I would like to point out to the those that think the private sector is doing better the situation there is no better.

During the period of the last "socialist" administration most of the private sector not in large unions had a virtual pay freeze. From a personal point of view, during the period 99 to 09, unlike the public services who had yearly increases at about inflation or more (I know this because my wife was an NHS employee), I had, along with most in my industry, only 3 awards none of which even matched inflation.

So swings and roundabouts I would say over the last 20 years the public services have done marginally better than the bulk of the private sector who have been equally hit by "austerity" caused by Liebour overspend.

Oh I agree that not all Government agencies deserve or should get an automatic pay rise, was merely pointing out that there is less incentive to join NHS now compared to past. Government work has in the main better benefits than working in private sector.

However, a nurse (in case of this thread) or indeed Fire fighers, paramedics etc do a job that is a vital life & Death specifically trained job that the majority of society wouldn't want to do & less people are applying for hence all the unfilled vacancies & many leaving the profession. Funding is obviously the cause, but as their role is so vital the Government must do what they can to retain these people & attract new generation into the roles. The point of my previous post (although maybe unclear) was that there must be some kind of incentive to attract young people into these careers (as an alternative to the truck driving 😊) in addition to the vocational calling.

[four-wheel-drive]

As there are very few people who could love or even like Jeremy I am assuming you are his brother as I doubt you would be his mother.

The problem is most people are just to lazy to actually listen to what he has to say they just get this twisted rubbish that the media puts out.

[bostonmick]

The problem is most people are just to lazy to actually listen to what he has to say they just get this twisted rubbish that the media puts out.

I am afraid that a lot of his own mp's are not to keen on him either.or have they been brainwashed by the media also.we will see what the man is all about after the election. If as we suspect labour will get thrashed will he resign when the country shows they do not want him.or just stay on to make the labour party a bigger laughing stock than they are now.

Edited May 9, 2017 by bostonmick

[saddler]

I'd say the loss of the on-site housing is also a factor.

 

Cheap subsided accommodation within walking distance = no need to drive & take up a parking space.

 

Local hospital has several boarded up nurses quarter houses on site.

Been vacant for years...utter waste of a much needed asset!

[grrclark]

This is what happens when you vote Conservative but will people ever learn.

 

Do you genuinely believe if you vote Labour it will be any different?

 

The absolute truth is that you could barely slide a cigarette paper between the achievable economic policies of any of the political parties. People talk about ideologies and consider that in isolation, but the problem is practicality.

 

No party will succeed on the basis of increased taxation because people don't vote en mass to have less money to spend, so the government budget is finite hence what the government can actually do is finite.

Infinite borrowing is not an option, despite those that subscribe to the rhetoric espoused by the likes of David Icke with some sort of extreme and polluted interpretation of Keynesian economics.

The NHS will never 'be fixed' so long as it is a political football as it is far too easy to scaremonger and score points (see every single comment on the NHS by every party, it is all claim and counter claim with little substance). The NHS was easy to establish, it is easy to talk about ideologically, but it is an absolute monster to manage and run.

 

Political parties attempt to steer the social conscience and they also react to the prevailing social mood. JC and JM in particular have a very well established track record of promoting discord and disharmony, they are unfavourably disruptive. If Labour were voted in I wouldn't worry a great deal for the economy as it will be what the prevailing conditions allow it to be, but I would care very much about the prevailing mood of the nation. We are already a nation of whining expectants who predominantly look to someone else to satisfy our requirements for us, that does not need amplified in any way at all and we don't need any cheerleaders in government to make that any worse than it is.

 

The "it's not fair" brigade, the "there should be rules against that" brigade, the "how do they have, but I don't" brigade, the "they shouldn't be allowed to have so much more than me" brigade.

[Vince Green]

This will be extremely controversial so I expect to get some flack for it. The trouble with the NHS is that the Doctors have far too much control over the day to day running of things.

Consultants get free allocated parking, nurses have to pay at our local hospital

[Gordon R]

Vince - I was in hospital some years ago. One of the nurses said people were being flown in from abroad - had operations on the NHS - and flown out again - relatives of doctors / surgeons / consultants. I asked why she didn't blow the whistle. She said they were like Gods - cross them and you were finished.

[wandringstar]

cross them and you were finished, what like organised crime?

 

Sounds a bit far fetched to me, are you sure they weren't just regular health tourists? Something else that badly needs addressing.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

 

Do you genuinely believe if you vote Labour it will be any different?

 

The absolute truth is that you could barely slide a cigarette paper between the achievable economic policies of any of the political parties. People talk about ideologies and consider that in isolation, but the problem is practicality.

 

No party will succeed on the basis of increased taxation because people don't vote en mass to have less money to spend, so the government budget is finite hence what the government can actually do is finite.

Infinite borrowing is not an option, despite those that subscribe to the rhetoric espoused by the likes of David Icke with some sort of extreme and polluted interpretation of Keynesian economics.

The NHS will never 'be fixed' so long as it is a political football as it is far too easy to scaremonger and score points (see every single comment on the NHS by every party, it is all claim and counter claim with little substance). The NHS was easy to establish, it is easy to talk about ideologically, but it is an absolute monster to manage and run.

 

Political parties attempt to steer the social conscience and they also react to the prevailing social mood. JC and JM in particular have a very well established track record of promoting discord and disharmony, they are unfavourably disruptive. If Labour were voted in I wouldn't worry a great deal for the economy as it will be what the prevailing conditions allow it to be, but I would care very much about the prevailing mood of the nation. We are already a nation of whining expectants who predominantly look to someone else to satisfy our requirements for us, that does not need amplified in any way at all and we don't need any cheerleaders in government to make that any worse than it is.

 

The "it's not fair" brigade, the "there should be rules against that" brigade, the "how do they have, but I don't" brigade, the "they shouldn't be allowed to have so much more than me" brigade.

 

Four Wheel Drive, please read the above until you understand it!

 

Meanwhile we can get on with expecting a massive Tory majority at the G.E. and getting out of the E.U. as quickly and painlessly as is practicable.

[fern01]

Vince - I was in hospital some years ago. One of the nurses said people were being flown in from abroad - had operations on the NHS - and flown out again - relatives of doctors / surgeons / consultants. I asked why she didn't blow the whistle. She said they were like Gods - cross them and you were finished.

 

 

That is very true, when I was in hospital for a big operation a senior Pakistani army officer had flown in to have the same operation and told me that it was very risky to have it done at home due to low standards in their hospitals.

[paulnix]

This will be extremely controversial so I expect to get some flack for it. The trouble with the NHS is that the Doctors have far too much control over the day to day running of things.

Consultants get free allocated parking, nurses have to pay at our local hospital

Along with the massive amount of money wasted, it's mind blowing to think about how much more could be funded if it was made efficient but it's public sector and when were they ever interested in saving money.

[BrowningB525]

Ask your wife to check how that salary sacrifice will affect her pension.

Of course it reduces her contributions. But it reduces tax and ni more.

 

The nhs have a pretty good pension as well.

[Gordon R]

Sounds a bit far fetched to me, are you sure they weren't just regular health tourists? Something else that badly needs addressing.

 

 

You need to get out into the real world sometime. It is totally accurate.

[wandringstar]

You need to get out into the real world sometime. It is totally accurate.

 

But you said a nurse told you, how can you be so sure its accurate? she may be mistaken, or exaggerating, why isn't it over the news?

 

I spend all day in the real world.

[Gordon R]

I spend all day in the real world.

 

 

Obviously not. I had no reason to doubt what the nurse said, but being a cynic, I checked with others. A few were reluctant to say much and none would complain. Life would become hard if you crossed a consultant. Ironically, the nurse who first told me was married to quite a wealthy man. She had no need for the salary, but liked working in the profession. She worried about losing her job - the financial implications for her were not a feature, although it would be for most.

 

More to the point - I was there and witnessed the odd one passing through - you were not, but seem to find it easy to cast doubt. It seems to be your way.

Edited May 10, 2017 by Gordon R

[wandringstar]

yes it is my way to cast doubt, you are correct.

[Gordon R]

I pity you.

[wandringstar]

thanks.

[Vince Green]

I'd say the loss of the on-site housing is also a factor.

 

Cheap subsided accommodation within walking distance = no need to drive & take up a parking space.

 

Local hospital has several boarded up nurses quarter houses on site.

Been vacant for years...utter waste of a much needed asset!

I would say it is a big factor at many levels, years ago every hospital had a nurse's home

[oi69]

Bloke upstairs from us (not english ;-) bought the flat no parking is always moaning about having to park up the road 1 of the other neighbours he was moaning to said well we made sure we bought a property with off road parking. Then he came out with an excellent 1 well i work for the NHS so i am going to wright to the council demanding they reserve the spot outside the flat for me hahahahaha and he has just got his wife into the country i bet he used that i work for the NHS as well