Keith RW Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Reading the law surrounding young persons, licencing and use of shotgun without supervision, i understand that between 15 and 18 they can be gifted a shotgun and use it without supervision etc but struggling to find info on holding of ammunition that they are not of age to purchase, can that be gifted also... Clarity needed pleas if anyone can point me in the right direction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 just phone your firearms department.or speak to your flo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeker Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 https://basc.org.uk/firearms/guidance-and-fact-sheets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith RW Posted August 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 Cheers guys Just looking to answer the query this weekend, basc factsheets are great and include the mention the loaning of shotgun over 72hrs along with cartridges etc By not finding any mention of restrictions for the under 18yr old licence owners are we to assume that once a licence owner regardless of age then same rules apply to all ages, regards ownership, storage access, key possession Would have thought that there would be some kind of restrictions governing minors as do not like to assume things when related to matters such as these and that if they do exist would be included within legislation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeker Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 That's how it reads .... same rules apply. But if the gun is kept in your safe, or you have access to it, then it should appear on your cert too, perhaps he might lend it to you! The good bit is you get to pay and son gets the everlasting gift/loan of cartridges. Always worth emailing your local licensing dept for advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith RW Posted August 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 Been there with the Son.....loaning...paying etc ....never ending story and no need to ever buy his own kit with the oportunity to borrow mine as only goes out with me on clays ... this time around its the grandson, just about to hit 16 ... helping out on local farm which he has always done as other grandad is manager there, he also has grand plans of working/managing on there in the years to come ....and wants his own kit as he now considers himself old enough ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 As one does not need a certificate to possess shotgun cartridges, what crime would your grandson commit by having them in his possession. In my view none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 Been there with the Son.....loaning...paying etc ....never ending story and no need to ever buy his own kit with the oportunity to borrow mine as only goes out with me on clays ... this time around its the grandson, just about to hit 16 ... helping out on local farm which he has always done as other grandad is manager there, he also has grand plans of working/managing on there in the years to come ....and wants his own kit as he now considers himself old enough ..... You're quite right - it is never ending! However, the lad is home and dry as Charlie said. But as he can't actually buy them himself, then............. just keep paying for a bit longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 My son held both SGC & FAC at 15,all guns where on a borrowed basis no shotguns on his cert and no rifles or ammunition.If we had still shot when he turned 18 he would of had his own guns and amo in his own safe.I wouldnt have any access to his,nor he access to mine. He never had any a access at any time and never shot without me being there. I think that you need to be cautious when introducing children to shooting.Does the child actually want to get into it?or is it parents pushing them.My son shot from about 7 and loved it.We waited till he was 15 because he wanted FAC also.I surrendered my son's FAC/SGC between 16/17 on the basis that his behaviour changed.My personal opinion is that you shouldn't be able to obtain licence till 18yrs old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith RW Posted August 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 "My personal opinion is that you shouldn't be able to obtain licence till 18yrs old." Pretty much with you on that one, I shot with my son since he was around 10 years of age, handgun and rimfire at club before and up to the ban, never had problem with him wanting to go out with mates etc and discover air rifles.... later we progressed on to shotgun and a little pigeon and clays so now without even owning any of his own is quite happy to tag along with me when ever we get the chance and hopefully has a decent respect for firearms. The grandson on the other hand has grown up with time around a farm with his other grandad, around myself with my shooting interests and the like and now wants his own licence, should this pan out as he hopes then its use will of course be supervised no matter what the law states for 15 year old licence owners and rest assured Mum and Dad will rule the roost without the need for intervention of Grandads .... but it does give cause for concern when not being present, I suppose that is just the over anxiuos grandparent in me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 My personal opinion is that you shouldn't be able to obtain licence till 18yrs old.Why? I'm of the opinion children should be introduced to firearms at an early an age as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshAndy Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Why? I'm of the opinion children should be introduced to firearms at an early an age as possible. With you on this, my son has shot since he was 11, his younger brother is about to start his shooting apprenticeship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 With you on this, my son has shot since he was 11, his younger brother is about to start his shooting apprenticeship +2. I had my own shotgun certificate at 16 (many years ago!) and I introduced my son to shooting at the age of 9 (.410 then 12g) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Why? I'm of the opinion children should be introduced to firearms at an early an age as possible. Just a personal opinion, but it should be the child/young person's decision to want a licence.I wanted my son to carry on where i left off.He was keen from an early age, but his attitude changed when he was over 15 (became a right Kevin).It was myself ashamedly that suggested he apply at 15.I felt like one if those pushy parents screaming at their kid on the football pitch sideline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 I took my daughter and son and two nephews to all manner of game fairs and young shots days from primary school age. They loved it. I have never forced any into shooting. My daughter is a more consistent shot than all the lads but has no interest. My son has no interest anymore, which is perfectly fine. One of my nephews turned into as big a shooting nut as me and now, at the age of 22 and with several of his mates, has his own pheasant shoot. Familiarisation with firearms in my opinion, de-mystifies the entire subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 I took my daughter and son and two nephews to all manner of game fairs and young shots days from primary school age. They loved it. I have never forced any into shooting. My daughter is a more consistent shot than all the lads but has no interest. My son has no interest anymore, which is perfectly fine. One of my nephews turned into as big a shooting nut as me and now, at the age of 22 and with several of his mates, has his own pheasant shoot. Familiarisation with firearms in my opinion, de-mystifies the entire subject. Wish someone had done that for me. Earlier the better in my view. So many opportunities (if you have the cash) for youngsters. The sport can take a lifetime so might as well start early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith RW Posted August 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Theres a huge difference between starting them out early and youth being let loose unsupervised at 15 as no matter how disciplined they are or appear to be with a firearm they are still pubecent minors full of hormones and moodswings no matter what gender....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Theres a huge difference between starting them out early and youth being let loose unsupervised at 15 as no matter how disciplined they are or appear to be with a firearm they are still pubecent minors full of hormones and moodswings no matter what gender.......+1 I can never understand why parents buy their Children Licences.. A::: It is a total waste of money.. Before anybody calls me to account,,Think of it this way:: Can said Child BUY a Weapon,,BUY Cartridges,,,The Short Answer is NO.. it does not increase resposibility,,it does give them an Ego boast.. All my family were brought up on guns,and they were taught to be responsible Air Rifles at first,Then when old enough they chose either to follow or to not bother.. But they all know the ground rules with any weapon.. And this included my Daughter.. Have discussed this very subject on the Radio phone in.. Enough said.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Theres a huge difference between starting them out early and youth being let loose unsupervised at 15 as no matter how disciplined they are or appear to be with a firearm they are still pubecent minors full of hormones and moodswings no matter what gender....... Ye Gods, I've never read such drivel in all my life. The only things hormones did to me at 15 was to drive me to try and snog the village girls behind the bike shed, they certainly didn't drive me to run round in some sort of hormonal driven rampage with my shotgun. In fact shooting and gun ownership gave me a focussed, all consuming hobby that kept many a maid safe from my attentions. In my day, most youngsters left school at 15 and became responsible young working people who could buy a shotgun in the village hardware store without the need for shotgun certificates and each and every one behaved in a responsible manner. Perhaps your views of today's young is a sad reflection of today's poor teaching and parenting skills which fail to teach responsibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith RW Posted August 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Ye Gods, I've never read such drivel in all my life. The only things hormones did to me at 15 was to drive me to try and snog the village girls behind the bike shed, they certainly didn't drive me to run round in some sort of hormonal driven rampage with my shotgun. In fact shooting and gun ownership gave me a focussed, all consuming hobby that kept many a maid safe from my attentions. In my day, most youngsters left school at 15 and became responsible young working people who could buy a shotgun in the village hardware store without the need for shotgun certificates and each and every one behaved in a responsible manner. Perhaps your views of today's young is a sad reflection of today's poor teaching and parenting skills which fail to teach responsibility. Unfortunatly we do not live in those same times that we grew up in, when we all used to be able to go about our daily business unmolested both as children and as adults, now you can mugged for you mobile phone, read the latest on the old boy stabbed to death whilst out walking his dogs and hazard a guess at age group and social background the perpatrator will more than likely turn out to fit into..peer pressures have changed greatly over the years and have far more reaching effect on the minds youth of today and far more than perhaps some of us ever have had to endure We are talking about today here Charlie not all our yesterdays, if you have never "read such drivel in all your life" as you say, then you perhaps you really need to read more and get in touch with the present times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) Theres a huge difference between starting them out early and youth being let loose unsupervised at 15 as no matter how disciplined they are or appear to be with a firearm they are still pubecent minors full of hormones and moodswings no matter what gender.......Ye gods! What an absolute crock of poop that is!My nephew and three friends ( the ones I took to young shots days, beating etc, along with my own ) have all had access to shotguns from primary school days, and when it came time for them to venture out on their own they loved nothing more than a days unsupervised decoying. All their parents had absolutely no qualms about any of this as they'd received a good and comprehensive grounding in safety and all things firearms related. My nephew as a mid teen used to bike to the local farm where he worked at weekends with his own shotgun slung over his shoulder in case he got the chance to pop a couple of rabbits or whatever in his lunch break! I don't know what sort of pubescent teenagers you've been associated with but I don't recognise them. Edited to add this was in the 21st century ( which is only 17 years old ) and not in the days you seem to refer to as being so much better than today. Edited August 10, 2017 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 Having a SGC at 15 installed a massive sense or responsibility in me and kept me away from mixing with the wrong sort. +1I can never understand why parents buy their Children Licences..A::: It is a total waste of money..Before anybody calls me to account,,Think of it this way::Can said Child BUY a Weapon,,BUY Cartridges,,,The Short Answer is NO..it does not increase resposibility,,it does give them an Ego boast..All my family were brought up on guns,and they were taught to be responsibleAir Rifles at first,Then when old enough they chose either to follow or to not bother..But they all know the ground rules with any weapon..And this included my Daughter..Have discussed this very subject on the Radio phone in..Enough said.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 had my first shotgun at 15,easy to get then, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith RW Posted August 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 Ye gods! What an absolute crock of poop that is! My nephew and three friends ( the ones I took to young shots days, beating etc, along with my own ) have all had access to shotguns from primary school days, and when it came time for them to venture out on their own they loved nothing more than a days unsupervised decoying. All their parents had absolutely no qualms about any of this as they'd received a good and comprehensive grounding in safety and all things firearms related. My nephew as a mid teen used to bike to the local farm where he worked at weekends with his own shotgun slung over his shoulder in case he got the chance to pop a couple of rabbits or whatever in his lunch break! I don't know what sort of pubescent teenagers you've been associated with but I don't recognise them. Edited to add this was in the 21st century ( which is only 17 years old ) and not in the days you seem to refer to as being so much better than today. Not a crock of poop simply a difference of opinion, you have yours and I have mine. The age restriction of 18 applies to dozens of things, just google it Voting Standing for election Sitting on a jury getting a tatoo or piercing carrying a donor card driving a bus buying fireworks, booze or cigarettes Travelling on airlinesand cruise ships and on and on There's usually good reason for this and suspect it is centered around maturity and responsibility I agree that some youngsters at 15 are quite mature but we cant, as in life in general, class all as being the same, so I really dont see the hardship of youngsters being supervised a couple of more years before then letting them loose as young adults. With regards to associating with teenagers, part of my working life has been spent training apprentices and would be apprentices between the ages of 16 and 24 for around 40 hours per week and as such have bore witness to just about all the different pubescent youth and characters that are out there and from all different backgrounds and walks of life, including probation and rehabilitation so I fully understand that you would not recognise such youth other than perhaps those that you aquaint with. I certainly dont tar them (youth) all with the same brush, but as I say they are still basically kids at 15 going through puberty playing at being too cool to be cool, show me an individual at that age and its one in a hundred.... ok maybe 4 in 100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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