Dazza9t9 Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 Evening all I'm new owning my own rifle however I've previous experience at target clubs and I have my own shotguns I recently got myself a cz .22lr I'm in the process of zeroing and trying to ammo before I get out hunting I zeroed the rifle in using cci mini mags, and got through 100 just getting used to the rifle Well this evening I switched to Winchester hallow point, I'm gob smacked at the sound difference. I've read about it but the bolt and the bullet hitting the target really was the noisiest thing. Brilliant for hunting. I have a cz 455, what other ammo would people recommend trying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruity Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 Eley subs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalahari Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 RWS? David. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 Dazza everyone will answer different as every rifle will shoot different. Just keep trying until you find the one your CZ likes, my CZ is best on Winchester but that is mine. Out of interest what have you set zero at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza9t9 Posted August 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 I am zeroing at 50 yards. I have a hawke rimfire sub scope so was advised to zero at 50 using a mag of 7 Seems to be working fine I took it out to 100 yards and was pretty much bang on. I just need to tighten it up a little So far Ive only tried the cci mini mags and the Winchester Both totally fine no issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza9t9 Posted August 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 Maybe a stupid question... obviously there is going to be a slightly difference in the zero between hv and subs. This will be a hunting rifle so will be using subs, I guess it is better to zero using subs? And then re check zero when I switch to a different brand? That's correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 There'll be a slightly different zero between different brands as well. Eley subs are most accurate in my rifles but they are very waxy and bung the gun up. Just trying CCI subs at the moment to good effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 My 452 loves Eley and Winchester subs, shotgun like patterns from CCI so I avoid them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 My 455 loves cci hp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza9t9 Posted August 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 I have not put many through my 455 but the cci mini mags and the Winchester hollow where fine with no issue I'm currently trying to get a good solid zero so it's unfair of my to say how the group but I'm happy with the results so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Shredder. Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 I have been using 42gr Winchester subs in my CZ452 American zeroed at 75 meters for a long while now and nothing has ever got up and complained that they weren't accurate, a very good hunting round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Stick with the subs for rabbits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Winchester subs in mine, tried those mini mags once, waste of time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) hello, my 455 likes RWS subs, i clean off wax with white spirit before use, i have a rimfire Hawke scope in 4x12x50 and its recommended to zero at 50 yards with 12 magnification, i did have the 3x9x40 and used 9 mag, as per instructions, which model do you have Dazza ? the only problem for me is the clarity from 50 yards to say 100, so maybe trying a lower mag might help. cheers Edited August 28, 2017 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza9t9 Posted August 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Oldpigeonpopper I have the vantage 3-9x50 ir I was advised to zero it at 50 yards on a 7 mag. Kind of wish I went for the 3x12 x50 now mind. I have nipped to the shop today. I got another 200 Winchester subs (as they seemed to go through wel) And 200 eley subs to try. I only got the HV to try when I first bought the rifle. I will be sticking to subs and will rezero using subs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 hawke ballistic reticle calculator. Have a look here Dazza, you might find it of interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 I have been using Winchester sub sonic now for eons and just purchased a further 250,, would have been 1000 but that is all they had. The last block I purchased back in 1990 and these new ones printed exactly the same which just proves Winchester are consistent. Try and buy a block of 1000 or the max you license allows because often a change of batch number even can alter fall of shot. Have the 455 in 17HMR my 22RF is a Marlin 880 both first class accurate rifles. As said above it pays initially to try a box of different manufactures to find which groups best. Definitely use subs sonic/plus silencer. Get the zero set and you are good out to 100yrds ... any further then add a 17HMR to your gun safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza9t9 Posted August 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Walker, thank you for that. I'll get back out and re zero with subs. I have just lent a bench rest too, I want to make sure it's perfect without my input before I get out I have a 17hmr on my ticket but I'm planning on cutting my teeth on rifle shooting with the 22lr then progressing onto the hmr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 You just have to accept that the 22RF is a bit loopy compared with the 17HMR. I have recently been doing some rabbit control from a static position where chances popped out from just a few yards out to 100yrds so I took the trouble to check fall of shot at four different points. Still a great little cartridge for those keeny meeny jobs where you need to be as quiet as possible. Two squirrels this weekend would only have ben one without the silent RF. Shot the first at 40yrds when the second was still coming up the ride towards me 70yrds away and it kept coming and joined his pal as buzzard grub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 As others have said all rifles shoot different with different bullets, so a similar rifle might not shoot well when ur mates does. Was going to say while the zero will change between brands and even boxes of the same brand, but u can alter ur bullet choice to suit ur needs, use subs to get the rabbit numbers down then could switch to HV for the odd longer range rabbits (but then u have a hmr for tha, but it would do in the mean time,even try different brands of HV until u find an accurate 1 ) or even the odd fox (if conditioned for it) in the past many keepers would use a 22lr with HV rounds for fox control. When I 1st started keepering the boss had 2 x22lr rifles 1 zeroed with HV for daytime use (in pick up/van and checking traps/snares) and the other zeroed with subs for lamping. While it was only 25 odd years ago it was before all these smaller calibres (17rf's and ven .22cf) really became popular/available and u couldn't get mods for ur cf rifles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza9t9 Posted August 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Thanks walker and scotslad this is all great and helping me understand this round. Next step is re zero and get out there in the fields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 I'm sure u already know this but very basic ballistics. The slower a bullet is the more 'loopy' the trajectory will be Also the heavier a bullet is it tend to be slower so again more loopy. Under 1050? feet per sec the bullet is classed as sub sonic, so u don't get a super sonic crack, with faster bullets a good mod will reduce most if not all of the muzzle/gunpowder noise (bang) but u will always get the super sonic crack that can't be helped, without the mod u'll get both the bang and the crack so ur 17hmr tend to be a 'flat' shooting calibre as a small light bullet with plenty of powder behind it, and the same is true if u move onto centre fire rifles some rifles tend to be flatter shooting than others. Some would argue all day long about how 1 calibre is better than another but the truth is at 'normal' hunting ranges there really is not an awful lot of difference it's all about knowing ur calibre and how its shoots. I take it u also know all calibres have 2 zero points, 1st one where the bullet is looping up past ur sight line and the 2nd where it crosses down throu ur sight line again, so at very close ranges ur bullet would be slightly low, at intermediate ranges slightly high and then after ur zero dropping all the time with range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza9t9 Posted August 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Scotslad. I did know most of that but it's always good to refresh the memory etc That is a great write up thank you. I heard the HV crack when I was shooting the mini mags, that's what I started with, it was lack of knowledge and a little lack of explaination I've since done more reading and had some great advice on here. As stated this will be a field rifle and being my first, I'm going to concentrate on subs and really cut my teeth and get to know the rifle and the bullets. I'm re joining a target club (I have previous been a member) more for sighting and shooting in sterile range, but my real passion is out in the fields. I have some permission to shoot over where I've been shotguning and in on a small pheasant syndicate which I can control vermin. All the information and advice I've had on here has been brilliant Everyone had been very helpful. I'll be getting out again to re zero on subs but I also want to have a look at the bullet line at different ranges so I am happy before I go out looking at bunnys. I want to be 100% happy on bullet fall, and hitting the target accurately to dispatch the rabbit effectively with clean kills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 I forgot u had done target shooting 1st, must admit I never knew a rifle had 2 zeros for years, must admit never shot much close in wit a rifle so never noticed it. I was just handed it and told to shoot stuff with it as I checked snares did my rounds/feeding with no range time or anything Just play about with it at varying distances or the distances ur more likely to shoot over and get good at estimating distance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) Oldpigeonpopper I have the vantage 3-9x50 ir I was advised to zero it at 50 yards on a 7 mag. Kind of wish I went for the 3x12 x50 now mind. I have nipped to the shop today. I got another 200 Winchester subs (as they seemed to go through wel) And 200 eley subs to try. I only got the HV to try when I first bought the rifle. I will be sticking to subs and will rezero using subs hello Dazza, i have just checked my 4x12x50 I/R with the subsonic reticle and you do zero at 50 yards with 12 magnification according to hawke.co.uk, the reticle has etched 75/100/125/150 yards so you do not have to judge range within the scope only out in the field, i did the zero with a range finder, it is not 100% at 100 yard as dropped 1inch but well within limits, although i do not shoot more than 40/50 to 80 yards. Edited August 28, 2017 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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