Am I mad?

[BrowningDJC]

Really fancy a series 3 Land Rover lightweight as a summer toy and maybe a bit of an investment. Never been a Land Rover fan other than series and older basic defenders. Anyone on here got one? 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Yes, as a box of frogs!

[ditchman]

take it you have spanners

 

is 

1. desiel
2. 2.25 petrol
3. 2.5   petrol

 

Edited February 5, 2018 by ditchman

[Scotty1980]

Your just asking for it! 

Wish I knew who had my old one. I'd like the opportunity to buy it back and look after it again. 

[BrowningDJC]

My father is a mechanic of 35 years and had all manner of series land rovers when I was young so knows them inside out, although he bought a mk1 shogun years ago and has never looked back. His words were ‘test driving one should be enough to put you off!’ 

Would be a 2.25 petrol rag top. 

[team tractor]

Fruit loop on here might be selling his

[Walker570]

Amazingly against all odds and brick bats ALL Land Rovers are either holding their price ..newish ones or going up in price for older models.  Have you seen the one on you tube with the Camarro V8 engine out dragging all comers.

Edited February 5, 2018 by Walker570

[Mightymariner]

When I see a "Am I mad" type thread I always know there is a Land Rover involved!

[BrowningDJC]

Yep, can’t really put a finger on why I want one. My father done some work on a lightweight which was running a 2.8 Daihatsu diesel not long ago and I think that’s what started it!

Edited February 7, 2018 by BrowningDJC

[Scully]

Get one; you’ll have fun and learn a lot. ?

Despite the naysayers,  Landrovers have a HUGE following and they are one of the most popular and iconic vehicles around. Some folk seem to resent this. I’m on my third. ?

[bluesj]

Find one with a v8 fuel consumption isn't going to be much different to 2.25 and you get a great sound and much fun

[Wooder]

you either love them or hate them ! its an addiction 

[BrowningDJC]

Yep I have to admit I’m far from a discovery or Range Rover fan, but there’s something about the simplicity of a series I like. Plus would only be a toy, I’ve got an L200 when I want a decent heater, wipers and a bit of room! 

Edited February 7, 2018 by BrowningDJC

[lancer425]

Had them all, in point form and order of nastiness. And i will try and give nice points to the same number.

Nasty.

1Slow.

2. uncomfortable

3 thirsty.

4 drafty

5 leak

6  high maintenance

7 rot

nice an di am struggling here believe me.

1 look trendy

2 can get most parts.

3 simple crude mechanicals.

4 reasonably competent off road.

5 can be dismantled relatively simple.

6 basic interior

7  well catered for after market winches accessories.

 

 

[Scully]

And yet despite all the points you make above, and despite huge worldwide iconic popularity, and with all that knowledge, you’ve ‘had them all.’ ! ??

 

[Pistol p]

Don't do it. Just think of the time you could spend on the gun rather than monkeying about with antiqued junk. 

[Walker570]

Ask tightchoke what mine sounds like

[lancer425]

33 minutes ago, Scully said:

And yet despite all the points you make above, and despite huge worldwide iconic popularity, and with all that knowledge, you’ve ‘had them all.’ ! ??

 

Words like worldwide and iconic they sound great, but in stark reality there was nothing else  4x4 available a few ex army champs and overweight gypsies, until the first Daihatsus showed up here in the mid 70s Land rover had the field all to their selves.

For something iconic ! and worldwide ! they rapidly lost any ground they made up in the previous 30 year monopoly. I think that in its self shows how good they really were.

You can not argue with history they were a poor copy of a jeep made from off cut war surplus material and initially at least the all iron Rover P2  15 1600 IOEV engine hardly world changing stuff, when you look at the japs and the Toyota Land cruiser FJ27s with a straight 6 ohv engine 2.7 litres. 

Australia took to these straight away and never really lost affinity with Toyotas.

If nissan had imported to the uk the safari with the 3.3 litre mu six cylinder diesel in it, Lr would have been killed off by the last series 2s the myriad of pick ups which subsequently followed would have just been the final blow.

We have all done it kept the old dog alive to try and reach his birthday when perhaps he should have gone that bit sooner, in the case of the land rover its positively cruel they should have been put down long ago for every body’s sake.

Land rover should have moved away from the heavy chassis ancient diesels after the series 2s with a lighter moncoque design with the then available perkins prima 2 litre turbo diesel, not the best engine in the world but fit for task and they could have made a lighter cheaper jap contender, But typical britain we stayed with what we knew just like the bike industry one day a honda four arrived . 

[SpringDon]

15 hours ago, Scully said:

Get one; you’ll have fun and learn a lot. ?

Despite the naysayers,  Landrovers have a HUGE following and they are one of the most popular and iconic vehicles around. Some folk seem to resent this. I’m on my third. ?

No, that isn’t true. Every body knows they are unreliable rubbish. That’s why you never see any old ones, they are  worth virtually nothing and you never ever see a new Range Rover, discovery or freelander.

The post above has it right. After all, look at all the 30 year old toyotas and nissans that clog up the roads.

[lancer425]

1 hour ago, SpringDon said:

 

The post above has it right. After all, look at all the 30 year old toyotas and nissans that clog up the roads.

Yep 30 year Toyotas everywhere in Australia.

30 year old land rover trigers brooms are as you say everywhere and many have sketchy pasts replaced chassis 200 300 tdi r380 gearboxes not the 2286 cc lumps they had in from new, many are even on coils.

So before we get too flippant about these apparent 30 year olds its important to know the full history and i dare say the vast majority of LR series out there are much newer than 30 regardless of the original registration date on the log book. .

I doubt more than a hand full of Toyotas  in the world had their chassis replaced last year in the uk there is a whole industry grown up out of LR chassis replacement out of a need that alone tells how bad LRs rot.

[Scully]

4 hours ago, lancer425 said:

Words like worldwide and iconic they sound great, but in stark reality there was nothing else  4x4 available a few ex army champs and overweight gypsies, until the first Daihatsus showed up here in the mid 70s Land rover had the field all to their selves.

For something iconic ! and worldwide ! they rapidly lost any ground they made up in the previous 30 year monopoly. I think that in its self shows how good they really were.

You can not argue with history they were a poor copy of a jeep made from off cut war surplus material and initially at least the all iron Rover P2  15 1600 IOEV engine hardly world changing stuff, when you look at the japs and the Toyota Land cruiser FJ27s with a straight 6 ohv engine 2.7 litres. 

Australia took to these straight away and never really lost affinity with Toyotas.

If nissan had imported to the uk the safari with the 3.3 litre mu six cylinder diesel in it, Lr would have been killed off by the last series 2s the myriad of pick ups which subsequently followed would have just been the final blow.

We have all done it kept the old dog alive to try and reach his birthday when perhaps he should have gone that bit sooner, in the case of the land rover its positively cruel they should have been put down long ago for every body’s sake.

Land rover should have moved away from the heavy chassis ancient diesels after the series 2s with a lighter moncoque design with the then available perkins prima 2 litre turbo diesel, not the best engine in the world but fit for task and they could have made a lighter cheaper jap contender, But typical britain we stayed with what we knew just like the bike industry one day a honda four arrived . 

Can’t argue with much of that, although your fifth paragraph is unprovable so therefore nothing more than opinion. 

I don’t think anyone is claiming there aren’t better vehicles designed for a similar purpose, but  the fact remains that love them or loathe them, they are an iconic marque with worldwide appeal. There is a bloke in Penrith who exports Defenders to the USA as fast as he can get them. His mechanic tells me that business is slowing down as he’s having to pay increasingly higher prices for them as values ( and thefts ) increase. If the same can be claimed of any Japanese 4x4’s I’m not aware of it, although VW Campers spring to mind.

I live in a small village in a very rural area at the foot of the Pennines, ( and have always lived in the Eden Valley ) which possibly colours my bias, but Landrovers rule the roost around here, including all marquee of Landrover, including two S1’s, (both owned by the same bloke and in daily use ) two SII’s, more Defenders than you can shake a stick at, plus all the usual Discos and Vogues, a Ford pickup and a couple of Land Cruisers. 

I doubt even a handful of Toyotas in the UK have had their chassis replaced or even galvanised ( though I am aware of one very early pristine Hilux which sits up very well ) although just like your claim, it’s only my opinion. There again, why would they? Is there a demand for them akin to that for  Landrovers? 

[Walker570]

The Land Rover Company saw the market building in the late 70s for School Run Tractors as more and more women wanted one to take the kids to school and out went the washable floor of the original 2 door Rangie, in came posher seats and a lighter to use gearbox, then of course the newly arrived had to have a seat in the back and the four door evolved. the company sort of lost track of the work horse Land Rover for a while and then started to tart them up as well. They failed to see the cramped front seating could be made more comfortable by moving them back a bit.  Entuisiasts soon did this job themselves. There is now so much garbage strewn across the dash board you need an electrical engineer to just change an instrument light bulb. 

Land Rover where also always penny pinching or they could have galvanised the chassis to start with. Remember the rotting bottom rear doors on the early Range Rover due to that hole which had to be there for the release mechanism. Well the developement engineers already had the latch which would eventually be fitted inside but the 'accountants' found it would cost something like £1..50p extra to put that in.  OK the original RR Classic was around £1170 brand spanking.  

Look how long it took for the penny to drop and put the Land Rover 90/110 on the Range Rover suspension.    Then of course someone decided they could make a deisel version of the 3.5V8 cost an absolute fortune, Perkins just could not get it to work and it died a death. I drove one of the developement Rangies and it was a pig.  All these stories tell a tale. 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

8 hours ago, Walker570 said:

Ask tightchoke what mine sounds like

A throaty roar, that burbles nicely as the throttle is opened.

[Scully]

2 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

A throaty roar, that burbles nicely as the throttle is opened.

I know the sound! ?

An old boy I know has an old 1983 Range Rover which has a Chevy engine shoe horned in sideways. It burbles away like a beauty as it trundles along. It was fitted by another mate of mine who also built a Sentinel steam wagon from scratch and had his own Landrover building business. He removed the Rover 3.5 V8 from my Landrover ( only did 12 mpg and I wanted it for work ) and replaced it with a 200tdi.  He is a mechanical whiz but sadly retired now and just does the shows with his Sentinel nowadays.

As an aside, my old 200tdi started first time this afternoon after being parked in the paddock and unused since mid December. ?

 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

9 minutes ago, Scully said:

I know the sound! ?

An old boy I know has an old 1983 Range Rover which has a Chevy engine shoe horned in sideways. It burbles away like a beauty as it trundles along. It was fitted by another mate of mine who also built a Sentinel steam wagon from scratch and had his own Landrover building business. He removed the Rover 3.5 V8 from my Landrover ( only did 12 mpg and I wanted it for work ) and replaced it with a 200tdi.  He is a mechanical whiz but sadly retired now and just does the shows with his Sentinel nowadays.

As an aside, my old 200tdi started first time this afternoon after being parked in the paddock and unused since mid December. ?

 

Tell Mungler!