marsh man Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 This question must have been asked 100s of times so bear with me as I am asking it once more . I have never owned a 4x4 in all my driving life which is now spanning close on 50years , but with old age and creaking joints making it hard work carting my pigeon gear around wet fields it is now time to try and make life a bit easier . So my requirements are , A 4 x 4 estate car would do nicely, not to high off the ground to get in ( as my wife isn't that tall ) , economical to run , plenty of boot space for dog and gear , would be used as the only car I have , budget around 5 to 6k. Maybe the car don't exist , but some pointers from you wise 4 x 4 people would be of great help . THANKS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 Take a look at a Skoda Yeti 4x4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRDS Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 I have a Yeti absolutely great cars if only 2 of you plenty of room with the seats down, decent off road too as long as you don't go mad. Good on fuel even my 170 bhp dsg model. Subaru do good 4 wd estates but will be more thirsty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennett Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 Skoda Octavia scout, have only heard good things about them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aga man Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 (edited) The Octavia scout does fit the bill, but having owned one I can't really say too much good about them. Perhaps I was just unlucky but my 09 plate suffered engine failure at 90 000 miles, and had a few abs problems prior to that. I only had it 2 years but it cost me a fair dollop of cash in the end. I am currently looking at Mitsubishi outlander as my work/shooting bus, a few around your budget marsh man and another thing I like about them is the boot has a drop down tail gate which is handy as the labs get older. Worth a look. Edited February 18, 2018 by aga man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted February 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 THANKS to all the above replies , two more questions if you don't mind . Would you advise diesel or petrol ? , and would a high mileage vehicle put you off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasper682 Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 Subaru's forester or outback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aga man Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 I have a similar budget to you and I am expecting to buy a diesel with 70-80 000 miles on. The modern diesel are good for 200.000+ miles. My mechanic who I trust completely tells me a good service history is more important than the miles. I prefer a diesel for my work etc but I will be looking for one that does not have a DPF {diesel particulate filter} which I believe came out in 09 reg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazycooker Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 Citroen c crosser Peugeot 4007 Mitsubishi’s outlander all same car I’ve had first two as they have 2.2 l Diesel engine never got stuck plenty of room n toys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted February 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, aga man said: I have a similar budget to you and I am expecting to buy a diesel with 70-80 000 miles on. The modern diesel are good for 200.000+ miles. My mechanic who I trust completely tells me a good service history is more important than the miles. I prefer a diesel for my work etc but I will be looking for one that does not have a DPF {diesel particulate filter} which I believe came out in 09 reg. THANKS aga man , so I have now got as far as looking for a diesel vehicle with a good service history , a very good start , cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 Diesel, and I wouldn't worry too much about the mileage, if it had a one owner, main dealer full service history! A particulate filter can, I understand, be a problem, if it does regular short runs, the Octavia is a little low on ground clearance for off road, and the petrol Saburu is reputedly, quite greedy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hambone Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 I scaled down from a Mitsubishi pajero to a Nissan X Trail diesel which does what I need it to do. Highish mileage and sounds rough until warm but not bad on fuel with plenty of boot space. No doubt someone will be along to say they have 40+ years of experience with cars and ive spelt some of this wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted February 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 THANKS for your time and advice , another question , manual or auto gears ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hambone Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 Just now, marsh man said: THANKS for your time and advice , another question , manual or auto gears ? The pajero was an auto and I had my reservations about that when I bought it. After 5 years of auto ownership I would have no problem getting another. My X Trail is a manual which did not influence my decision to buy it, i wouldn't worry if the price/service history etc comes together and you like the vehicle don't worry about auto or manual. There may be issues with autos around towing which I can't comment on though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthedark Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 2 hours ago, jasper682 said: Subaru's forester or outback. These. Avoid the newer legacy, they're cheap for a reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 Im currently running an xtrail 2008 diesel 170. its ok i like how its performing, it is a nice drive even on the runs up north 1100 miles round trips its comfortable enough. A shooting partner of mine has an outback its a way better car on and off road than the xtrail we are both convinced of that. Not being negative about the x trail its just not as good as the outback in my opinion . If i had 6k to spend i would be looking for a Subaru outback myself but opinions may differ, for example some claim engine troubles on the Subaru diesels , but mates as done 230k on an 09 and its still working fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 On 2/18/2018 at 18:36, marsh man said: This question must have been asked 100s of times so bear with me as I am asking it once more . I have never owned a 4x4 in all my driving life which is now spanning close on 50years , but with old age and creaking joints making it hard work carting my pigeon gear around wet fields it is now time to try and make life a bit easier . So my requirements are , A 4 x 4 estate car would do nicely, not to high off the ground to get in ( as my wife isn't that tall ) , economical to run , plenty of boot space for dog and gear , would be used as the only car I have , budget around 5 to 6k. Maybe the car don't exist , but some pointers from you wise 4 x 4 people would be of great help . THANKS MM, Toyota Rav4. I had a 05 and would still have it if I hadn't had the money for a Hilux. My dad bought a 07 Rav 4 after his Audi A1 was written off. He loves it and can now get round the shoot with ease. He is 75. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 Bought an early ish Range Rover 4.4 petrol - nothing like it to drive and will go thru any terrain you care to mention - unfortunately the Fuel Tanker that I have following cannot . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 57 minutes ago, bruno22rf said: Bought an early ish Range Rover 4.4 petrol - nothing like it to drive and will go thru any terrain you care to mention - unfortunately the Fuel Tanker that I have following cannot . Two mates went up to the northern firths with us earlier in the season in a similar RR it returned about 15mpg 1100 mile round trip from n Lincolnshire used £435. in the xtrail we returned over 40mpg and used £145. 8 to ten trips a season the RR would hurt, plus the wash and Norfolk it would cause trouble with her indoors if i had a RR as much as i would like one. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 That's not good lancer425 - mine is far superior and averages 17mpg - we actually stopped once for a mini celebration when the readout proudly displayed 18mpg. It's not just the fuel with a RR though - it's the cost of the bits that break or simply fall off as you drive along, Wing mirror, for example, just over £800. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notsosureshot Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) On 2/18/2018 at 18:36, marsh man said: This question must have been asked 100s of times so bear with me as I am asking it once more . I have never owned a 4x4 in all my driving life which is now spanning close on 50years , but with old age and creaking joints making it hard work carting my pigeon gear around wet fields it is now time to try and make life a bit easier . So my requirements are , A 4 x 4 estate car would do nicely, not to high off the ground to get in ( as my wife isn't that tall ) , economical to run , plenty of boot space for dog and gear , would be used as the only car I have , budget around 5 to 6k. Maybe the car don't exist , but some pointers from you wise 4 x 4 people would be of great help . THANKS Subaru Impreza WRX Wagon. It's road focused yes but it has a durable interior (for dogs, mud, shooting), amazing performance, great handling, tons of luggage space and they are pretty much bomb proof. I had a 2005 and it was fantastic. Economical....hmmm, not overly so, but not many 4x4 are. They are superb for towing too. Circa 35-40mpg if driven carefully. The ride is firm, but it's possible to tweak that with tyre choice. I personally never found it to be an issue unless I mis-hit a speed bump. I'd at least suggest a test drive because they drive so well. Should find a good one for your budget but shop around carefully as many have been messed with and/or towed with excessively. Once you feel the performance, it's hard to keep the smile off your face. Edited February 23, 2018 by notsosureshot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted February 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 8 hours ago, notsosureshot said: Subaru Impreza WRX Wagon. It's road focused yes but it has a durable interior (for dogs, mud, shooting), amazing performance, great handling, tons of luggage space and they are pretty much bomb proof. I had a 2005 and it was fantastic. Economical....hmmm, not overly so, but not many 4x4 are. They are superb for towing too. Circa 35-40mpg if driven carefully. The ride is firm, but it's possible to tweak that with tyre choice. I personally never found it to be an issue unless I mis-hit a speed bump. I'd at least suggest a test drive because they drive so well. Should find a good one for your budget but shop around carefully as many have been messed with and/or towed with excessively. Once you feel the performance, it's hard to keep the smile off your face. THANKS notsoureshot ...... A Subaru is now high on the agenda , I am sure one will come along before to long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notsosureshot Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 12 hours ago, marsh man said: THANKS notsoureshot ...... A Subaru is now high on the agenda , I am sure one will come along before to long Glad to help. I dont think you'd be disappointed. Have a look at this top gear clip if you want to see what they can do. The only thing they have wrong with them is image, the boy racer thing but I personally dont care as most boy racers dont have roof bars like I did Pics of mine below. Ahem, as I said I'm not a boy racer, ahem....but did you know the WRX does 0-60 in 5.6 seconds, quicker still with a Prodrive Performance Pack on (factory fit), although a bit noisier. The Forester 2.5 Turbo is also very quick. But in reality, all this translates to incredible overtaking abilities and handling around the twisty corners of the countryside, they handle like a go-cart, even in the estate form. Took a friend of mine for a spin around Loch Ken in Scotland in the WRX once. He did actually poop himself a bit when we were 4 wheel sliding on gravel at about 50mph, but the car behaved impeccably. I've had quite a few performance cars and the Subaru is definitely up there even compared to Porsche and Audi, in terms of the driving experience. Only car I think that could ever have been made to beat this for similar money would be if Mazda had made the "3" MPS in a 4x4 version. Oh...and dont buy a grey import subaru, there are lots about! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted February 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 10 hours ago, notsosureshot said: Glad to help. I dont think you'd be disappointed. Have a look at this top gear clip if you want to see what they can do. The only thing they have wrong with them is image, the boy racer thing but I personally dont care as most boy racers dont have roof bars like I did Pics of mine below. Ahem, as I said I'm not a boy racer, ahem....but did you know the WRX does 0-60 in 5.6 seconds, quicker still with a Prodrive Performance Pack on (factory fit), although a bit noisier. The Forester 2.5 Turbo is also very quick. But in reality, all this translates to incredible overtaking abilities and handling around the twisty corners of the countryside, they handle like a go-cart, even in the estate form. Took a friend of mine for a spin around Loch Ken in Scotland in the WRX once. He did actually poop himself a bit when we were 4 wheel sliding on gravel at about 50mph, but the car behaved impeccably. I've had quite a few performance cars and the Subaru is definitely up there even compared to Porsche and Audi, in terms of the driving experience. Only car I think that could ever have been made to beat this for similar money would be if Mazda had made the "3" MPS in a 4x4 version. Oh...and dont buy a grey import subaru, there are lots about! Very nice motor notsosureshot , looks spotless and very well kept , wish I could say the same about my motor , a front two wheel drive Astra that pretend its a Land Rover. As for speed , I am not exactly a boy racer , although I did get caught going through a peed camera at 36mph a few years back , cost about £90 and a morning in a classroom , mind you , I did get a cup of tea and a couple of biscuits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 Good choice. Mate had one of those Subaru pick ups that were all the rage ( around here anyhow ) in the late '80's. It would go anywhere, and eventually went to the north east when it was stolen one night. Local plod asked him in the canteen one day ' Was there owt in it ......?' 'Mmmmm......just me keys.....!' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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