ClemFandango Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 22 minutes ago, McSpredder said: On the video (3:03) Packham very clearly points to one particular red dot on the map and states that that “…the signal from the tracker re-appears fifteen miles off of Fife Ness in St Andrews Bay, here…”, but OS maps shows the location cannot be much more than 5 miles from Fife Ness. The R SPB Scotland’s Head of Investigation also makes a claim (4:44) of “…re-awakening of the signal fifteen miles out in the North Sea.” Are both men incapable of basic map reading? Or have they deliberately multiplied the distance by a factor of three, and knowingly provided false information to the public and to ministers of the Scottish Government? I doubt it's the latter, what would the public/authorities thinking the signal was lost 5 miles out to see as opposed to 15 gain them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 It now appears that Packham & co knew that the bird had been blown out to sea and died of exhaustion when they were posting their allegations....... will they apologise...no chance ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 On 24/02/2018 at 23:09, Mice! said: Doesn't matter if another eagle killed Fred over territory, he got blown out to see in a storm or is full of lead shot, things like this highlight the cause against shooting, no evidence needed. As clem Fandango says the harm is done and nothing will be said further unless there is evidence of poisoning or lead. Do i win a prize ? Probably happens a lot but not all the birds are tagged up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemFandango Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 21 minutes ago, Mice! said: Do i win a prize ? Probably happens a lot but not all the birds are tagged up. is being able to be smug a prize? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 I'm pointing out that there was nothing suspicious, not shot poisoned or trapped, a perfectly natural event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piebob Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 More on Fred.... https://countrysidecontroversial.wordpress.com/2018/03/26/fred-the-latest/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemFandango Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 On 04/03/2018 at 21:19, Mice! said: I'm pointing out that there was nothing suspicious, not shot poisoned or trapped, a perfectly natural event. I understand that. I was trying to make a joke, you can be smug that you were right about what happened to Fred is what I meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 10 hours ago, Piebob said: More on Fred.... https://countrysidecontroversial.wordpress.com/2018/03/26/fred-the-latest/ That is interesting stuff and proof surely that the eagles disappearance was not due to shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted March 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 (edited) I do not for a minute believe many of the reported disappearances of raptors is down to illegal persecution, I don't doubt there is the occasional incident which is regrettable, but..........it is in the interests of the raptor protection group and other protectionist groups (of which Packham appears to be a self appointed? mouthpiece!) to hang all raptor disappearances on wildlife crime perpetrated by shooting interests, it fills their coffers with money from doners, conveniently damages the reputation of shooters and shooting and furthers their dishonest anti shooting agenda. The question is how does shooting counter this? Because as we all know if they " chuck enough mud, some will stick" the antis have a platform in the media............shooting needs to find one! Otherwise the constant drip,drip, drip of misinformation, downright lies and anti shooting propaganda will eventually overwhelm us. Edited March 27, 2018 by panoma1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 19 hours ago, Piebob said: More on Fred.... https://countrysidecontroversial.wordpress.com/2018/03/26/fred-the-latest/ That's fabulous work Piebob, it really is. I just had a look on Packhams website to see what his status on this topic is, and unfortunately the claims he was making five days ago have just been repeated on the website of The Scottish Field only two hours ago. Could you send the information you provided for us above to your shooting org', or one of them, and to either or all of the above outlets? I am genuinely sincere in my praise of your excellent work and will be contacting one or more of the above as a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 Very interesting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB1 Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 33 minutes ago, Scully said: That's fabulous work Piebob, it really is. I just had a look on Packhams website to see what his status on this topic is, and unfortunately the claims he was making five days ago have just been repeated on the website of The Scottish Field only two hours ago. Could you send the information you provided for us above to your shooting org', or one of them, and to either or all of the above outlets? I am genuinely sincere in my praise of your excellent work and will be contacting one or more of the above as a result. +1 12 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Very interesting! It is, and the replies by Hugh Webster sort of put it at stalemate….. for me anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piebob Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Scully said: That's fabulous work Piebob, it really is. I just had a look on Packhams website to see what his status on this topic is, and unfortunately the claims he was making five days ago have just been repeated on the website of The Scottish Field only two hours ago. Could you send the information you provided for us above to your shooting org', or one of them, and to either or all of the above outlets? I am genuinely sincere in my praise of your excellent work and will be contacting one or more of the above as a result. Will take action re Scottish Field and my org already aware. This isn't my work, I'm merely following the case with interest - it's quite a hot topic up here with the shooting community and some organisations demanding that this "trial by media", as panoma1 points out, must stop. 1 hour ago, KB1 said: It is, and the replies by Hugh Webster sort of put it at stalemate….. for me anyway Hugh Webster? He's from the bile brigade! Possibly a little more educated than most of them, and certainly more careful with his words in certain forums so that he appears as being measured, but don't think for a second that his agenda is anything other than the complete cessation of shooting and country sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB1 Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, Piebob said: Will take action re Scottish Field and my org already aware. This isn't my work, I'm merely following the case with interest - it's quite a hot topic up here with the shooting community and some organisations demanding that this "trial by media", as panoma1 points out, must stop. Hugh Webster? He's from the bile brigade! Possibly a little more educated than most of them, and certainly more careful with his words in certain forums so that he appears as being measured, but don't think for a second that his agenda is anything other than the complete cessation of shooting and country sports. I have to confess to not knowing his background or agenda, but he did (at first) appear to be as you say, 'measured' in his response. I don't think I've led a sheltered life, and in all the years I've been shooting I've never come across a Gun that's killed a Raptor, so I sincerely hope that this is proved to be the case regarding Fred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 11 hours ago, Piebob said: Will take action re Scottish Field and my org already aware. This isn't my work, I'm merely following the case with interest - it's quite a hot topic up here with the shooting community and some organisations demanding that this "trial by media", as panoma1 points out, must stop. Thanks. Now you mention it I did read somewhere of a very robust retort to this incident by a Scottish organisation. It's excellent work all the same. I'll have a ponder and consider what I can do. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 On 3/27/2018 at 10:01, panoma1 said: the antis have a platform in the media............shooting needs to find one Part of the problem here is that the vast majority (I'd like to think all) of shooting folk go about their business in a correct and proper (i.e. legal) way. There is no need to have any mention in the media, and most shooting folk I know are fairly 'non media savvy' type people. There is also no news (or at least shouldn't be) to interest the media in people going lawfully about their daily business and hobbies. They are within the law - and so have no wish for any changes. The antis are much more media savvy (a number of them like Packham work in the media and have a natural platform). Because their aim is to change the law, they are looking all the time for any transgression of the law (or potential transgression of the law), or any deficiency/loopholes in the law, so that it can be gleefully trumpeted in the media and exploited with maximum publicity. Now where a law has (or may have been) broken, then there is something to interest the media .......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 36 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: Part of the problem here is that the vast majority (I'd like to think all) of shooting folk go about their business in a correct and proper (i.e. legal) way. There is no need to have any mention in the media, and most shooting folk I know are fairly 'non media savvy' type people. There is also no news (or at least shouldn't be) to interest the media in people going lawfully about their daily business and hobbies. They are within the law - and so have no wish for any changes. The antis are much more media savvy (a number of them like Packham work in the media and have a natural platform). Because their aim is to change the law, they are looking all the time for any transgression of the law (or potential transgression of the law), or any deficiency/loopholes in the law, so that it can be gleefully trumpeted in the media and exploited with maximum publicity. Now where a law has (or may have been) broken, then there is something to interest the media .......... It would be desirable in my view, for the ones that disrupt people going about lawful business to have their collars felt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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