TPH Posted July 3, 2018 Report Share Posted July 3, 2018 Has anyone had the problem of other shooters driving round the field shooting pigeons on the ground while you are pigeon shooting. This is crazy and dangerous. We have the sporting rights for the land and the farmer who is only a contractor has told his shooters to come on the fields and more or less do as they want ie drive round the field shooting. I have contacted the farmer and asked him to get this stopped. am i being petty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted July 3, 2018 Report Share Posted July 3, 2018 (edited) I think that I am right in saying that as you "have the sporting rights" you have the right to control the vermin. Any Tenant Farmer who is having a vermin problem should first contact the owner of the shooting rights and ask them to sort the problem, IF they then fail to do that, the Tenant can appoint someone to undertake vermin control. I had a similar problem some years ago, we were paying a lot of money to the 'Estate' for the shooting rights, but one of the Tenant Farmers was sub letting the vermin/goose shooting to a commercial shooting enterprise. They were putting out up to 10 guns at a time at £50 each, to shoot geese (on a stubble field). It prompted the Estate Manager to send letters to all the Tenant Farmers saying that they must contact the Gamekeeper of the shoot, before giving anyone permission to shoot there. Hope this helps, it is not a pleasant situation to be in. It is an offence to shoot VERMIN from a MOVING motor vehicle. Edited July 3, 2018 by Westley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted July 3, 2018 Report Share Posted July 3, 2018 My understanding is the tennant can get anyone he wants to do the vermin - and not all game shooters can be bothered with 'petty vermin' so might say they'd do it to block someone else but either not do it - or only put in a token effort. One of my permissions was of that type: Farmers son said he's get his syndicate to shoot bunnies but they never bothered themselves with such mundane effort. Father and son even had a row about it in front of me and father said its still his call: I felt awkwrd about it but still got the job done and the son soon became very supportive about me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPH Posted July 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2018 The farmer is a contractor he isn't the actual tenant of the land. Shooting from a moving vehicle isn't illegal,but you don`t do that when shooters are set up in hides ready for a days shooting. Some of these shooters moved their hides as the people in the vehicle were getting very close to the hide and letting shots off,these pellets can ricochet put some ones eye out. I have spoken to different gamekeepers,shoot captains and shooters and they cant believe anyone who shoots would do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPH Posted July 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2018 We shoot all vermin all the year round. Am i right by saying wood pigeons are not vermin we shoot them to protect crops These shooters are summer time shooters, when its dry warm and try and spoil the shooting of other people. These shooters in the vehicle by all accounts have been asked to leave the land on a few farms around this area, danger to stock and horses and riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushandpull Posted July 3, 2018 Report Share Posted July 3, 2018 It is an offence under the WCA section 5,(1),(e) to use a mechanically propelled vehicle in immediate pursuit of a wild bird to kill or take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted July 3, 2018 Report Share Posted July 3, 2018 Caravan Clubbers by any chance ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted July 3, 2018 Report Share Posted July 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Pushandpull said: It is an offence under the WCA section 5,(1),(e) to use a mechanically propelled vehicle in immediate pursuit of a wild bird to kill or take it. Sorry, should have added MOVING motor vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted July 3, 2018 Report Share Posted July 3, 2018 (edited) Some vermin can be left alone for a few months while the ground is too wet to drive on. You'll find a few of us HAVE to be summer shooters for health reasons chap - if I come out in cold or damp conditions with my lung issues it puts me down for a couple of days. I'm not ready to give up my guns to leave more for you or anyone else, and I can't imagine those guys are doing it just to spoil your shooting .... Edited July 3, 2018 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPH Posted July 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Dave-G said: Some vermin can be left alone for a few months while the ground is too wet to drive on. You'll find a few of us HAVE to be summer shooters for health reasons chap - if I come out in cold or damp conditions with my lung issues it puts me down for a couple of days. I'm not ready to give up my guns to leave more for you or anyone else, and I can't imagine those guys are doing it just to spoil your shooting .... Not having ago about people with health problems or people who are at work. On about people who try and cause trouble with other shooters and only come out in the sun. You dont know these shooters, police were called to them,one land owners daughter told them to leave the land because they were shooting and frighting the horse and they told her they would be back later shooting. She replied yes the police will be waiting for you as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted July 3, 2018 Report Share Posted July 3, 2018 Report them to the Police then, they do not sound like they are 'fit persons' to have shotgun certificates in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPH Posted July 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2018 Don`t want police involved,starts getting naughty for everyone then. Farmers and land owners are getting wise to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted July 3, 2018 Report Share Posted July 3, 2018 29 minutes ago, TPH said: Don`t want police involved,starts getting naughty for everyone then. Farmers and land owners are getting wise to them. They’ve committed an offence, you don’t like their behaviour, but you don’t want to report them ... If you don’t want to do anything about it when you can, then don’t come here complaining about it zzz ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPH Posted July 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2018 27 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: They’ve committed an offence, you don’t like their behaviour, but you don’t want to report them ... If you don’t want to do anything about it when you can, then don’t come here complaining about it zzz ? its ok saying call the police,have you ever been involved with the police regarding firearms investigation every one gets put under the cosh. Have they actually committed an offence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted July 3, 2018 Report Share Posted July 3, 2018 25 minutes ago, TPH said: its ok saying call the police,have you ever been involved with the police regarding firearms investigation every one gets put under the cosh. Have they actually committed an offence? I thought Push & Pull clarified that they have? If your not going to report it then how is it going to be resolved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted July 3, 2018 Report Share Posted July 3, 2018 I was shot about 10 years ago by an idiot with his kids shooting out the window while driving around. I was sat in my hide and then boom . The most scared I’d ever been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPH Posted July 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 7 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: I thought Push & Pull clarified that they have? If your not going to report it then how is it going to be resolved? 7 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: I thought Push & Pull clarified that they have? If your not going to report it then how is it going to be resolved? sorry i dont grass Ive had good response from this site. I think a friendly word in there ears and advise them of what push & pull has said,try that first then the police if they are that thick they dont take the advise. Do yo think thats ok? 6 hours ago, team tractor said: I was shot about 10 years ago by an idiot with his kids shooting out the window while driving around. I was sat in my hide and then boom . The most scared I’d ever been. This is what i dont want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 11 minutes ago, TPH said: sorry i dont grass Ive had good response from this site. I think a friendly word in there ears and advise them of what push & pull has said,try that first then the police if they are that thick they dont take the advise. Do yo think thats ok? This is what i dont want. I understand the 'I don't grass' no one likes a grass, BUT, if the worst was to happen, I.e someone was wounded or even killed could you live with knowing you could have stopped it? From what you've already described a quiet word in the ear won't suffice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 We are all responsible for speaking up when we see something that's not right, whether it be someone leaving spent cases on the ground or something as serious as this. Incidents like this are the last thing we as the shooting community need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPH Posted July 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 It will be a gentle persuasive words with both idiots in vehicle and the farmer who is only a contractor not a tenant,with no rights whats so ever. who has told these in the vehicle to go and shoot. A warning of armed trespass will also be mentioned. Then i swallow pride and inform police.(very last option) dont think it will come to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 Good luck, let us know how it goes please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPH Posted July 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 Cheers and i will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPH Posted September 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 On 04/07/2018 at 15:23, TPH said: Cheers and i will. Hello Just to update you all. I had a quiet word with the people driving round the field shooting also the farmer who is only a contractor with no authority on the land. In the end they saw it my way and the driving around the field has now stopped. I quoted what pushandpull wrote, It is an offence under the WCA section 5,(1),(e) to use a mechanically propelled vehicle in immediate pursuit of a wild bird to kill or take it. Thanks for all your help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 Purely as an addendum. We've been here before. I've had a quick look but can't find it. DiL is a district prosecuter with the CPS and in her view the vehicle does not necessarily have to be moving. If you've pursued the birds and got to within shooting distance, stop and do so, then the only reason you have stopped is because the immediate pursuit has been successful and you're guily as charged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 12 minutes ago, wymberley said: Purely as an addendum. We've been here before. I've had a quick look but can't find it. DiL is a district prosecuter with the CPS and in her view the vehicle does not necessarily have to be moving. If you've pursued the birds and got to within shooting distance, stop and do so, then the only reason you have stopped is because the immediate pursuit has been successful and you're guily as charged. Does that apply to tractors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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