Gerry78 Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 Hello posting looking advice my ticket came through for my cz 222 I bought the gun in scotland and had it shipped to a dealer in northern ireland the dealer had the gun since march taking months over here for paperwork to come through when i went to look at the gun months ago the dealer said the threats were 1/2x20unf so told him to order me a moderator in he recommended ASE Went down yesterday to collect gun he told me moderator wasent screwing on tight bout inch and half from fitting tight to barrel SORRY MY QUESTION is im gona have to take to gunsmith and is it big job to run machine up the threats or moderator any advice ??? Couple photos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 (edited) That's not an inch and a half. it's about 1/8" by the looks of it. First I'd get the threads checked to see they match. It's more than likely the paint on the thread making it tight, so running a die over it a couple of times should sort it. I'm surprised the dealer didn't do that. The mod won't need anything done to it. Edited July 15, 2018 by walshie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry78 Posted July 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 Cheers mate the dealer didn’t care ive been dealing with the guy for years so thats me finished with him hoping its not a big job so can get out foxing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 No it's not a big job. Just check he got the right thread mod first. There's another 1/2" thread called something else. 1/2" x 28. If the threads are the same, running a die over the screwcut bit will take 30 seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 As above. Have the identical mod and the threads on my barrels look to be the same length .... pretty standard. Hmm are you sure of the thread sizes being the same ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry78 Posted July 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 Thanks the dealer in Scotland been in contact with him says threating 1/2x20 so the dealer in n Ireland got the moderator but with the gun lying in hes shop 5 months he had moderator so think he coulda checked it for me but not to worry hopefully as Walshie says be a straight forward job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 I had this a few years ago when I had a rifle threaded 1/2" unf. The moderator was also 1/2" unf but it wouldn't screw on more than two thirds of the way. . Turned out that the thread had a slight taper on it and was tightening up as the mod' was screwed on.. Fortunately I was able to borrow a unf die and re-thread it myself, but it was never satisfactory and had to be re-cut. (Richard Pope did it the second time). Be careful the mod' isn't 1/2" unef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 It could be paint in the moderator but a quick look with a torch should soon check that. I did have that with a Sirocco! My best guess is poor or mismatched threading! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 Whatever the difference in threads is, it is close, which is probably more dangerous than a complete miss-match. If you get a nut an bolt of the same diameter but with completely different threads, a turn and half is all you can expect to get. That has gone five or six by the looks of it. As the others have said get it checked by someone with thread gauges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry78 Posted July 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 Thanks gona bring it down to gunsmith have a look at it ?hoping its just a couple of threads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 Id not be happy with that,, defo a gunsmith job to fix it properly, and i would certainly be speaking to the guy who said it would fit or the guy that sold it to you saying its the right one. You could of course cut 1/2 an inch off the end. (just kiddin) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry78 Posted July 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 Yea dougyThanks gona bring it down to gunsmith have a look at it ?hoping its just a couple of threads The gun dealer over here N Ireland had the rifle and moderator in the shop for near 4 months and didn’t even check it Just told me on Saturday when went down to collect it after paperwork came through letterbox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 what dealer??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry78 Posted July 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 Better not say well known over here but hel never get another penny off me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 surely he could have tried another moderator to get you shooting??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good shot? Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 (edited) I personally as others have said would be checking with a thread gauge before doing any modification/ screw cutting. Sounds to me like the moderator is an incorrect thread for the rifle, and unlikely to be faulty IMO. Mate has CZ 17 HMR and CZ .22LR , moderator on one rifle won't fit the thread on the other but both are correct thread for their respective barrel. Edited July 16, 2018 by Good shot? add on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 Just now, Good shot? said: I personally as others have said would be checking with a thread gauge before doing any modification/ screw cutting. Sounds to me like the moderator is an incorrect thread for the rifle. I personally can't see the point in checking thread pitch,depth,thread angle. it's still a job for a competent gun smith. Hand over both rifle and mod and they should sort it.. It's a pain that the original one hadn't done a decent job in supplying something fit for purpose, as I've a,ready commented I would be having a word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good shot? Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 (edited) Is getting a competent gunsmith ( presumably at a cost) to verify the correct thread and sort actually necessary. If the moderator thread is incorrect or faulty the original supplier should order in the correct moderator as you say. I would not want a moderator thread altering to fit my rifle or vice versa. Edited July 16, 2018 by Good shot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 A replacement spigot would cost less. (£25 for the last one for me) But again changing it would require a competent person/gunsmith/machinest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 All this talk of extra expense. If it's the wrong thread the dealer should change it. If it's the right thread, as said, it's probably the paint bunging it up. (I've had this happen. Took 10 seconds to sort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 9 hours ago, walshie said: All this talk of extra expense. If it's the wrong thread the dealer should change it. If it's the right thread, as said, it's probably the paint bunging it up. (I've had this happen. Took 10 seconds to sort. Seems I'm agreeing with walshie again, this thread appears to have got very involved/detailed where the problem is fundamentally quite straightforward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmer7 Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 I bought a new Tikka threaded 18x1 which would accept one mod but another brand would only go on about half way. Jackson Rifles very kindly at no charge sent me one of their own dies to borrow as I couldn't source one locally to chase the threads. It only needed a minute bit of material removed and fitted perfectly after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry78 Posted July 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 Cheers the gun smith im taking it to does a lot of barrels over here in n Ireland so he knows hes stuff dont think it will be a big job could be the new moderator as above post mentioned Whats annoying me is the dealer who i got the CZ 222 shipped to he recommended the moderator to fit i payed him £240 for it and as I said he had both in hes shop for months and didn’t bother hes backside checking it for me Ive been buying and trading guns last 10 years with this guy I realise now a lot of them just after your money seams no loyalty in some gun dealers but will get it sorted even if it costs But as I mentioned on other post hes lost my trade il just go somewhere else cheers for the reply’??s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the enigma Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) Is it a factory threaded barrel? I bought a cz that had been shortened and was re-threaded to 1/2" unef rather than 1/2"unf. Edited July 17, 2018 by the enigma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry78 Posted July 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 No mate think the dealer I bought it of in Scotland had it threated the rifle 2nd hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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