Walker570 Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 I am shooting the 10.34 Heavy Diablos at the moment and within range they work very well and very accurate in my TX. A touch more punch would be handy on occasions and if I put a hole through a tree rats ribs it ain't going far. In some instances they just do not sit still for more than a few seconds and a rib/body shot is the only way to go ...hop hop hop smack !! if you know what I mean. I'm using my 17HMR at the moment in those circumstances but the air rifle would be better/quieter close to habitation/cattle/ brood mares etc. It is just finding that balance between standard 12ftlb and the HMR. Too risky to use the 22RF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 Body shots on squirrles are pretty unreliable with an airgun and a few extra fpe wont make much difference really .head shots are the way forward and you really dont need a lot of energy to kill nutkin cleanly with the correct shot placement . As you can see in my recent ,walnuts ,thread. To take a squirrel with a reliably with a body shot id say you need a pellet that will dump all its huge energy inside the body with no exit . Something like a .22 hollow point running around 30 fpe .and keep the distances up to 30 yds .as the pellet will shed energy quickly in flight . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Burpster Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Walker570 said: I am shooting the 10.34 Heavy Diablos at the moment and within range they work very well and very accurate in my TX. A touch more punch would be handy on occasions and if I put a hole through a tree rats ribs it ain't going far. In some instances they just do not sit still for more than a few seconds and a rib/body shot is the only way to go ...hop hop hop smack !! if you know what I mean. I'm using my 17HMR at the moment in those circumstances but the air rifle would be better/quieter close to habitation/cattle/ brood mares etc. It is just finding that balance between standard 12ftlb and the HMR. Too risky to use the 22RF. Have you looked at CB longs for the rf? You will have to re-zero as it’s a loopy load but produces around 30ft/lb and in BA rf incredibly accurate and quite. They aren’t prone to ricocheting like subs as the bullet is smaller. Just a thought before you shell out the best part of a grand setting up an FAC air. Once I found them didn’t use my FAC air anymore and sold it. ? Edited September 2, 2018 by The Burpster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted September 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 Would you fire a CB long up into a tree, though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 10 hours ago, spandit said: Would you fire a CB long up into a tree, though? There isn't a rule about this, each decision must be taken on its own merits, at 32ft lb and 29g its in the FAC Airgun area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 On 25/08/2018 at 13:15, Walker570 said: ...stu ???? is it possible to upgrade a TX200 ????? My requirement is not rabbits over 40 to50yrds but making certain I cleanly kill magpies, barn pigeons and tree rats out to 40yrds. The 'export' model was rated for 930fps and i would check a couple of points before adjustment, installed spring will be weaker than fac replacement but also transfer port may be smaller for sub 12ftlbs. Piston seal would be worth replacing and you may need a new spring guide and top hat for the fac spring but other than that, should be easy enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 Thanks I will make enquiries, see if it is feasible. Getting it on ticket is only a matter of paperwork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 930 fps with which pellet ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 9 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: 930 fps with which pellet ? Air arms own numbers from an old non-UK airgun advert. Realistically, will run at 15 to 16ftlbs depending on pellet without a great deal of internal adjustment (i. e. A straight spring swap) for a long stroke gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 Well then .15 -16 fpe with a 8.5 grn jsb exact .is a great energy for the cal . I was out last evening with my bsa scorp. 177 and had 4 collard doves and a magpie at 55 yds all with hl body shots .dropped them on the spot . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crow Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 i wanted to get rid of my fac air a while back and find a way for my 22lr to replace it. sadly i found i needed fac air and could not get rid of it. the main point is shooting into trees. simply put: fac air does it better. best buy a gun already converted to get the best deal. for some reason lots of people end up selling their fac air /many on the shelves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 5 hours ago, crow said: i wanted to get rid of my fac air a while back and find a way for my 22lr to replace it. sadly i found i needed fac air and could not get rid of it. the main point is shooting into trees. simply put: fac air does it better. best buy a gun already converted to get the best deal. for some reason lots of people end up selling their fac air /many on the shelves. your not wrong, i don't know this seller but what a deal this is, I'll be surprised if it hangs around long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telf Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 On 02/09/2018 at 11:26, The Burpster said: Have you looked at CB longs for the rf? You will have to re-zero as it’s a loopy load but produces around 30ft/lb and in BA rf incredibly accurate and quite. They aren’t prone to ricocheting like subs as the bullet is smaller. Just a thought before you shell out the best part of a grand setting up an FAC air. Once I found them didn’t use my FAC air anymore and sold it. ? Just bought a box of these to give them a go , hopefully be accurate enough and cycle ok for squirrels off a feeder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Burpster Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 On 03/09/2018 at 07:48, Dekers said: There isn't a rule about this, each decision must be taken on its own merits, at 32ft lb and 29g its in the FAC Airgun area. Exactly right Dekers. If you shooting a projectile upwards irrespective of the power or means of propulsion, if it isn’t safe it isn’t safe......PERIOD. There seems to be a miss conception that’s it OK with a pellet but no so with a bullet. Simple rule, if you have no back stop then do not take the shot or be damned sure if you miss that the projectile will be going into a safe area in your own property. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crow Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, Mice! said: your not wrong, i don't know this seller but what a deal this is, I'll be surprised if it hangs around long. i brought an fac rapid about 4 years ago. well built but it was not as accurate as my last fac rifle or the current fac rifle I have. a little disappointed. had my hands burn a few times buying second hand. if i buy another rifle, any, I would have to test it before parting with cash. its a LOTTERY as too if that guns a shooter or not. if someone brought a rapid that didnt shoot well, its easy to swap the barrel to see if that helps, more costs tho Edited September 4, 2018 by crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 like i said i don't know the buyer, it was an example of what is available and its cheaper because its fac, normally when there sold there is much more information given, folk are asking him all sorts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxtich Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 On 17/08/2018 at 17:10, villaman said: If you are going FAC then FX impact or FX crown in .25 or .22 probably the best fac guns ever mad so far . I had my mind on R10, or even a daystate but to many bad comments with daystate then shot a impact and it completely changed my mind . Every time I shoot it a big smile comes on my face . My .25 impact is running at 47 ft/lbs and about 70 shots from a fill The other day managed a 26 mm group at 100 yards in a slight wind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxtich Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 (edited) Hi Villa Very interested in your Impacts power & shot count! I didn’t think a standard Impact would deliver that kind of shot count. I’m not doubting you one bit,would you elaborate a bit more as to weather it was specially tuned by them? Barrel length,If regulated,the exhaust valve set up,valve chamber extension,bottle size? Im lucky to get 50 Full Power shots,only reason im asking is as i own a Later Rapid Mk2 with similar power output,but nowhere near do I get that shot count and mines been heavily modded by Top Rapid Gurus! Its got a 24 in barrel ported correctly,480 cc Carbon fibre bottle,fill pressure to 250 bar,Raw Quick fill + Reg with Nicks Nano Reg set to 120 bar,Silent pips,hammer modification,Nicks special exhaust valve. Please dont take this the wrong way! just need to get my head round this. Thanks Tich Edited September 9, 2018 by maxtich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 It probably because rapids are old My wild cat does 50 shots at the same energy and has less air than an impact . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaman Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, maxtich said: Hi Villa Very interested in your Impacts power & shot count! I didn’t think a standard Impact would deliver that kind of shot count. I’m not doubting you one bit,would you elaborate a bit more as to weather it was specially tuned by them? Barrel length,If regulated,the exhaust valve set up,valve chamber extension,bottle size? Im lucky to get 50 Full Power shots,only reason im asking is as i own a Later Rapid Mk2 with similar power output,but nowhere near do I get that shot count and mines been heavily modded by Top Rapid Gurus! Its got a 24 in barrel ported correctly,480 cc Carbon fibre bottle,fill pressure to 250 bar,Raw Quick fill + Reg with Nicks Nano Reg set to 120 bar,Silent pips,hammer modification,Nicks special exhaust valve. Please dont take this the wrong way! just need to get my head round this. Thanks Tich Every thing is how it came as standard , all I have done is played with reg which is 145 , maxed out hammer tension . Ok shot count has gone to about 70 but ft/lbs has gone from 43 to about 47 but since my last post I have taken it down to 46 about 900 fps . Using AA fields 25.5gr yesterday at 163 yards I was hitting a 75mm stone sitting down with the gun on my knee . Like I said , every time I shoot this gun a big smile comes on my face Air guns have come a long way since the rapids and FX are leading the race at the moment , especially with different twist barrels , slug barrels and even with the new arrow . One time I would never had looked at FX but after having one I have ordered FX crown .22 FAC and I have been a HW man along with one of the best BSA guns THE ultra as well Edited September 9, 2018 by villaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyshooter Posted September 10, 2018 Report Share Posted September 10, 2018 grey squirrels definitely do not like my fac wolverine .303 at 100fpe with 50.15 grain pellets it just destroys them!!!! atb brian ps my normal fac gun is my airranger .22 at 37fpe with bis mag pellets also a good tree rat killer!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crow Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 i wish some smart factory made 20 grain .22 rounds that were accurate at 70 yards. then i could sell my fac air😡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 27 minutes ago, crow said: i wish some smart factory made 20 grain .22 rounds that were accurate at 70 yards. then i could sell my fac air😡 17 grain .17hmr no good? To noisy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 1 hour ago, crow said: i wish some smart factory made 20 grain .22 rounds that were accurate at 70 yards. then i could sell my fac air😡 If you mean .22Rimfire cartridge then the issue is speed, twist, energy. There are already light and low energy versions of all sorts of .22Rimfire ammo but they are seldom great in a .22lr barrel due to inherent twist rates. No manufacturer is going to make a barrel that handles a 20g .22rimfire because FAC Air exists, and the take up would be minimal, and it would be unsuitable for normal .22lr. So its certainly possible, but HIGHLY UNLIKELY it will ever happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 Also the bullet shape of it .would mean it should retain more energy down range than a similar weight pellet .and the fallout risks that would incure . You could allways shoot slugs from your .22 fac air. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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