CORBYN's Leaders Speech

[pinfireman]

On 02/10/2018 at 20:35, Westward said:

Allotment? Labour Party? Phooey. These days allotments are a middle class must have. Arriving in a 4x4 is almost obligatory but you can squeak in with a crossover. It's clearly stated in the rules that tenancy cannot be granted to anyone who drives a Ford or a Hyundai or has ever eaten a Pot Noodle. Beards are just about acceptable, only on men of course, but anyone wearing a string vest will be escorted off the allotments and told to never come back.

You must grow asparagus, calabrese, romanesco broccoli, sweet peppers, aubergines, a minimum of 14 varieties of squash, borlotti beans, cavolo nero and at least 2 varieties of garlic otherwise no one will speak to you.

You clearly have experience of these modern day allotments! Did you bump into Jeremy whilst rotovating yours? Has he got a shed on his allotment?  (It,s not a proper guy,s allotment if it does not have a man shed)............

[Westward]

2 hours ago, pinfireman said:

You clearly have experience of these modern day allotments! Did you bump into Jeremy whilst rotovating yours? Has he got a shed on his allotment?  (It,s not a proper guy,s allotment if it does not have a man shed)............

There aren't many of us left but proper allotmenteers do not rotovate. We treat the soil with care and reverence just as gardeners have been doing for centuries. It's the lazy, quick fix modern breed who think they can spend a weekend in March rotovating the top 3 inches, shove in the plants they bought from the garden centre, throw in a few rows of seeds then go back after 3 months and pick it all. (Just like they see happening on Gardener's World). Trouble is after 3 months with no maintenance, they not only have no crops to speak of but the plot is 2 feet deep in weeds. That's when they decide to give it up and the plot is then re let to yet another trendy young single mum with 2 small kids and a dog who spends most of her time on her mobile rather than caring for the allotment.

[oowee]

1 hour ago, Westward said:

There aren't many of us left but proper allotmenteers do not rotovate. We treat the soil with care and reverence just as gardeners have been doing for centuries. It's the lazy, quick fix modern breed who think they can spend a weekend in March rotovating the top 3 inches, shove in the plants they bought from the garden centre, throw in a few rows of seeds then go back after 3 months and pick it all. (Just like they see happening on Gardener's World). Trouble is after 3 months with no maintenance, they not only have no crops to speak of but the plot is 2 feet deep in weeds. That's when they decide to give it up and the plot is then re let to yet another trendy young single mum with 2 small kids and a dog who spends most of her time on her mobile rather than caring for the allotment.

Best thing about an allotment is when you own a share and can sell the whole lot for housing. Tidy penny to be made 🙂

 

[Westward]

3 hours ago, oowee said:

Best thing about an allotment is when you own a share and can sell the whole lot for housing. Tidy penny to be made 🙂

 

Ours are let by the association but the land, which is about 3-4 acres, is owned by the local council and has been for over 100 years. There are caveats which prevent the council from simply grabbing the land and turning it into a money generator but if there are too many empty or uncared for plots they have the right to apply to the court for a possession order which would allow them to evict the tenants (who also happen to be voters) and claim the land for building. Something they would dearly love to do, although the fact that the driveway is unadopted and we paid to have tarmac laid would cause them some problems because we control who has access.

Edited October 4, 2018 by Westward

[amateur]

Allotments and cemeteries - the problems in converting either to building land sends shivers down the spine of most developers.

[Vince Green]

4 hours ago, amateur said:

Allotments and cemeteries - the problems in converting either to building land sends shivers down the spine of most developers.

They are starting to clear cemeteries now. 

[panoma1]

On 26/09/2018 at 22:35, Vince Green said:

This^^^^

As I have posted on here several times, I am perhaps the only member of this forum to actually have had personal contact with Corbyn. He was my MP for quite a few years and I have to say the man is bone idle. He doesn't like meeting or mixing with the people he is paid to represent. He has this rather distant, looking down his nose at you attitude. As an MP he might as well have been the invisible man, you never saw him out and about, visiting schools, OAP clubs, presenting prizes at sports days etc. In fact you never saw him full stop.

My impression was he used his MP's salary to fund his own projects and never had any commitment or interest in the Parliamentary process. He appears to have opposed everything his own party was trying to promote.

If you think about that rationally that's kind of creepy! I mean the "everything" part. You have to wonder. Is he just a rather two dimensional Mr Negative with nothing positive to offer except the 70s style Communist mantras he learned by rote as a student activist?  

Well it seems Vince is right, he has refused to engage with May in constructively trying to find a way to breach the impasse on Brexit, and he's whipping his Labour backbenchers to do the same.....Trots like him will avoid engaging with anyone who doesn't share their political dogma.....putting self interest before the countries interest!.....or is it because he has no ideas of his own....and it's easier to just sit on the sidelines critisizing those that do?

Prime Minister material?

[JohnfromUK]

I read that Hilary Benn and Yvette Cooper have visited anyway.

Someone summed up is position very well;

“My position is very clear: I wholeheartedly believe in dialogue with terrorists and those who would do our nation harm, but not with fellow democratically elected representatives in the British Parliament who have different views to me”

[TIGHTCHOKE]

3 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

I read that Hilary Benn and Yvette Cooper have visited anyway.

Someone summed up is position very well;

“My position is very clear: I wholeheartedly believe in dialogue with terrorists and those who would do our nation harm, but not with fellow democratically elected representatives in the British Parliament who have different views to me”

Yes they went in as they both chair committees and are slightly more with it than their leader!

[Vince Green]

56 minutes ago, panoma1 said:

Well it seems Vince is right, he has refused to engage with May in constructively trying to find a way to breach the impasse on Brexit, and he's whipping his Labour backbenchers to do the same.....Trots like him will avoid engaging with anyone who doesn't share their political dogma.....putting self interest before the countries interest!.....or is it because he has no ideas of his own....and it's easier to just sit on the sidelines critisizing those that do?

Prime Minister material?

Thank you, its nice to feel somebody is listening to me -at last!

He really is that useless, he has never made a positive suggestion about anything in his whole life and now he has come to the point where he has to he is paralysed. Because he has no opinion to put forward and is incapable of original thought process in a political context.

I told you all a year ago he was a lazy "plonker" ( I would have used a much stronger word), perhaps now people will see what I have known for a long time. Lazy, detached, disinterested in anything except his own outdated ideology. 

Edited January 17, 2019 by Vince Green

[Bazooka Joe]

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If Corbins Labour Party do get into power, they will not have won it, the present Conservative government will have handed it to them by default!..........Their past record of governance, such as the imposing years of austerity on the people, the obscene redistribution of wealth,  the state of the NHS, The police service, Schools etc, the breakdown of law and order...........and with May as their leader, the Conservatives are now pretty much, for the ordinary voter, unelectable!............And there is no one else in a position to win a general election, let alone form a government! So perhaps we should "gird our loins" and prepare for the inevitable!

Totally agree, Conservatives only got in because of licking up to the DUP, also if it wasn't for them a couple of days ago Corbyn's vote of no confidence could have succeeded....

[islandgun]

11 hours ago, Vince Green said:

Thank you, its nice to feel somebody is listening to me -at last!

He really is that useless, he has never made a positive suggestion about anything in his whole life and now he has come to the point where he has to he is paralysed. Because he has no opinion to put forward and is incapable of original thought process in a political context.

I told you all a year ago he was a lazy "plonker" ( I would have used a much stronger word), perhaps now people will see what I have known for a long time. Lazy, detached, disinterested in anything except his own outdated ideology. 

Agreed, this is how he comes across when you see him in parliament, a weasily little man quick to disagree and without one constructive suggestion. a deeply unpleasant conniving individual.........and thats his good points 

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, islandgun said:

Agreed, this is how he comes across when you see him in parliament, a weasily little man quick to disagree and without one constructive suggestion. a deeply unpleasant conniving individual.........and thats his good points 

I and I'm sure most on here would 100% agree, but sadly many either;

• Always vote Labour because their fathers, grandfathers did
• believe him and his promises
• are to young to remember the last left(ish) Labour governments with 95% tax rates and rubbish piling in the streets due to strikes
• have a very short sighted and stupid idea of 'punishing' the present government.  It's no 'punishment' for them as individuals - they go away (often with honours) to highly paid jobs and gold plated pensions.  (Just look at Blair, Osborne, Mandleson, Heseltine, Major).  The people who will really be punished are future generations who will suffer real economic hardship to recover from the wrecked economy that Labour will leave (as they always have) when they are eventually replaced.

[ShootingEgg]

1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said:

I and I'm sure most on here would 100% agree, but sadly many either;

• Always vote Labour because their fathers, grandfathers did
• believe him and his promises
• are to young to remember the last left(ish) Labour governments with 95% tax rates and rubbish piling in the streets due to strikes
• have a very short sighted and stupid idea of 'punishing' the present government.  It's no 'punishment' for them as individuals - they go away (often with honours) to highly paid jobs and gold plated pensions.  (Just look at Blair, Osborne, Mandleson, Heseltine, Major).  The people who will really be punished are future generations who will suffer real economic hardship to recover from the wrecked economy that Labour will leave (as they always have) when they are eventually replaced.

The only problem is the short sightedness of people. Saying how the tories have made ot hard times, austerity etc etc. All because the previous Labour government put this country in the plop. Inlive within my means (Labour call this austerity).. I dont have credit cards or loans I live on what i have, some good months spme hard months, but i never leave myself in a position of being hard up. A Corbyn govt scares the carp out of me. 

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, ShootingEgg said:

The only problem is the short sightedness of people. Saying how the tories have made ot hard times, austerity etc etc. All because the previous Labour government put this country in the plop. Inlive within my means (Labour call this austerity).. I dont have credit cards or loans I live on what i have, some good months spme hard months, but i never leave myself in a position of being hard up. A Corbyn govt scares the carp out of me. 

100% agree.