old man Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 (edited) Amazing! Edited October 27, 2018 by old man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acsimmo Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 It certainly is. If the mind is willing..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 I look at those athlete's and then look at the amount of air wasters on benefits. Those athletes all deserve a gold medal in my eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 Just now, Dougy said: I look at those athlete's and then look at the amount of air wasters on benefits. Those athletes all deserve a gold medal in my eyes. Yes, well said! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hambone Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Dougy said: I look at those athlete's and then look at the amount of air wasters on benefits. Those athletes all deserve a gold medal in my eyes. Edited October 27, 2018 by hambone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Dougy said: I look at those athlete's and then look at the amount of air wasters on benefits. Those athletes all deserve a gold medal in my eyes. But in the Paralympics a lot lost their disability benefits and told to go to work. How wrong was that. I know a woman who stopped working at 19 for a bad knee She’s 65 now . The people in the games make most of us look like fools. They’re incredible Edited October 27, 2018 by team tractor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 Hats off to everyone of these brave guys and gals. With this lot it's all about "look at what I CAN do" rather than the self-pitying "look at what I CAN'T do" we so often hear these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted October 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 15 hours ago, Dougy said: I look at those athlete's and then look at the amount of air wasters on benefits. Those athletes all deserve a gold medal in my eyes. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymondley Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 17 hours ago, team tractor said: But in the Paralympics a lot lost their disability benefits and told to go to work. How wrong was that. Wrong? not at all. If they can manage to compete they can manage to work. Disability benefit should be for those that really can't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 4 hours ago, Wymondley said: Wrong? not at all. If they can manage to compete they can manage to work. Disability benefit should be for those that really can't work. So if a soldier lost both his legs but competed in a rowing race for example should he loose his benefits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davewh100 Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 22 hours ago, Dougy said: I look at those athlete's and then look at the amount of air wasters on benefits. Those athletes all deserve a gold medal in my eyes. couldn't of put it better my self, well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymondley Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 1 hour ago, team tractor said: So if a soldier lost both his legs but competed in a rowing race for example should he loose his benefits Plenty of people in wheelchairs have desk jobs, work at benches, that sort of thing. There really aren't too many disabilities that prevent people doing ANY work. I object to paying benefits to the "professionally disabled" so they can play games instead of working. Indeed, quite a few got caught out claiming how difficult mobility was, to get maximum benefit, and were then found to be competing in sport at a level that would have many able bodied struggling. Not very fair on those that are actually so disabled they can't work is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hambone Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 When I used to do a lot of fly fishing competitions I knew a carpenter who fished all day and "couldn't" work and was on disability benefits... I got off the boat end of day aching like I'd done a hard days graft and thought about him "disabled my ****" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Wymondley said: Plenty of people in wheelchairs have desk jobs, work at benches, that sort of thing. There really aren't too many disabilities that prevent people doing ANY work. I object to paying benefits to the "professionally disabled" so they can play games instead of working. Indeed, quite a few got caught out claiming how difficult mobility was, to get maximum benefit, and were then found to be competing in sport at a level that would have many able bodied struggling. Not very fair on those that are actually so disabled they can't work is it? Just because they claim benefits it doesn’t mean they don’t work. my father in law gets £30 a week on top of his job and it pays towards the help he needs. People without legs can work yes at a desk but they require a little help towards wheel chairs and adapting the house /car etc . Some of the guys in the Paralympic Games had 1 arm What job would you like them to do ? Every case has to be assessed differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 2 hours ago, hambone said: When I used to do a lot of fly fishing competitions I knew a carpenter who fished all day and "couldn't" work and was on disability benefits... I got off the boat end of day aching like I'd done a hard days graft and thought about him "disabled my ****" I know a guy who got in trouble for fishing on a Saturday ( match sat down ) hes riddled with arthritis and can’t walk without pills, wrist supports to stop them breaking , injections twice a day. He’s really bad and shakes none stop. Normally im the first to shoot them down but I can see he’s in so much pain and can’t move . I thought is he just meant to sit at home and die ? On the other hand I know scammers with a bad back who can’t work apparently. 30-40 years of it 😡. The guy in your example should be tested or monitored . I can’t get a blooming penny to help me and I struggle with asthma and damaged legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymondley Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 I wouldn't want to deprive anyone that wanted to work, of any benefits that would help them to do it, disabled or not. My point, regarding your earlier comment on the paralympics, was that there are people who are so "disabled" they can't work, but manage to play sport quite well. They effectively become professional sportsmen and women at the expense of the taxpayer. Play sport by all means, but not at the expense of those that genuinely need help. As for one arm, there was garage in Bushey that employed a one armed mechanic, we had customer with one arm who worked as a double glazing salesmen and the MD of a major back up generator installation company was known to be quite "hands (hand) on" despite having one arm. These are just people I've come across in my work, there must be many more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 The men and women in the Invictus Games were maimed one way or the other fighting for their country. You shouldn't even mention benefits cheats in the same thread as these brave people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 7 hours ago, Wymondley said: I wouldn't want to deprive anyone that wanted to work, of any benefits that would help them to do it, disabled or not. My point, regarding your earlier comment on the paralympics, was that there are people who are so "disabled" they can't work, but manage to play sport quite well. They effectively become professional sportsmen and women at the expense of the taxpayer. Play sport by all means, but not at the expense of those that genuinely need help. As for one arm, there was garage in Bushey that employed a one armed mechanic, we had customer with one arm who worked as a double glazing salesmen and the MD of a major back up generator installation company was known to be quite "hands (hand) on" despite having one arm. These are just people I've come across in my work, there must be many more. I mean only one arm. No legs . i know a few with only one arm that work as tyre fitters and golfers . 10 minutes ago, walshie said: The men and women in the Invictus Games were maimed one way or the other fighting for their country. You shouldn't even mention benefits cheats in the same thread as these brave people. We should look after them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose man Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, walshie said: The men and women in the Invictus Games were maimed one way or the other fighting for their country. You shouldn't even mention benefits cheats in the same thread as these brave people. Spot on Walshie, With these people , paying their dues was taken to a level way above money . No amount of money/benefits could compensate for what they have paid into the system.. Edited October 29, 2018 by moose man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 The TV coverage was shamefully inadequate! 👎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted October 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 22 hours ago, Wymondley said: Plenty of people in wheelchairs have desk jobs, work at benches, that sort of thing. There really aren't too many disabilities that prevent people doing ANY work. I object to paying benefits to the "professionally disabled" so they can play games instead of working. Indeed, quite a few got caught out claiming how difficult mobility was, to get maximum benefit, and were then found to be competing in sport at a level that would have many able bodied struggling. Not very fair on those that are actually so disabled they can't work is it? The problem being that the 'professionally disabled' have become as astute as the politicians? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymondley Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 11 hours ago, walshie said: The men and women in the Invictus Games were maimed one way or the other fighting for their country. You shouldn't even mention benefits cheats in the same thread as these brave people. I agree, I made my comments in reply to a remark regarding the paralympics, sorry if it's dragged this thread off topic. All injured service personnel deserve the utmost respect and support, including those that suffer from the mental trauma of combat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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