Rewulf Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 13 hours ago, oowee said: that is exactly the point I am making 👍. None of it was on the ballot paper. Of course it wasnt on the ballot paper but neither were your examples from the Guardian. You dont put the party manifesto on the ballot paper at a general election, or tell the electorate theres going to be a recession..maybe.. The referendum was a broad yes or no, with threats/promises from government and campaigns about what COULD happen ! You dont seriously think that we believed it would lead to WW3 or an instant recession do you ? You dont really think most people thought it would be easy breaking free, or that we would spend the entire gross EU contribution on the NHS ? We knew it would be difficult, because the EU is difficult, THATS why we knew it was right to get out. Youre still hanging on to that thought that no one knew what they were doing by voting leave, but everyone who voted to stay did. Its time to wise up and realise that if Brexit doesnt happen, then a far worse calamity awaits, and no, I dont mean a Corbyn government ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 Cameron was constantly telling us he was going to negotiate a "better deal" for us with the EU. Many visits to beg for scraps yielded nothing but him coming home with his tail between his legs. The EU don't do negotiating. Perhaps if they did, we wouldn't be where we are now. As for what we voted for, there were only 2 options. Saying we didn't vote to leave with no deal is like saying we didn't vote to leave with a deal, or only on a Thursday. There were no conditions on the ballot paper. It wasn't a vote for what we didn't want. It was a vote for what we DID want we DID want to leave the overbearing, overpowering, stifling, too-big-for-its-boots EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 OUT or IN, STAY or GO, really very simple to grasp, even for those of us in the stupid, uneducated, can't possibly know what we were doing class! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyefor Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 16 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: OUT or IN, STAY or GO, really very simple to grasp, even for those of us in the stupid, uneducated, can't possibly know what we were doing class! ..you missed out "too old to vote cos it won't affect your future" (according to some)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, Eyefor said: ..you missed out "too old to vote cos it won't affect your future" (according to some)? The ultimate disrespect toward the very people that bought them into the world , fed and clothed them, wiped their back ends and gave them that high brow mentality they covet so much. 'Ill live longer than you, so my votes worth more than yours grandad ' Not if you keep talking like that sonny. 😃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 55 minutes ago, Rewulf said: The ultimate disrespect toward the very people that bought them into the world , fed and clothed them, wiped their back ends and gave them that high brow mentality they covet so much. 'Ill live longer than you, so my votes worth more than yours grandad ' Not if you keep talking like that sonny. 😃 Don't forget some who actually fought to give them their freedom and supposed democracy in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Rewulf said: Of course it wasnt on the ballot paper but neither were your examples from the Guardian. You dont put the party manifesto on the ballot paper at a general election, or tell the electorate theres going to be a recession..maybe.. The referendum was a broad yes or no, with threats/promises from government and campaigns about what COULD happen ! You dont seriously think that we believed it would lead to WW3 or an instant recession do you ? You dont really think most people thought it would be easy breaking free, or that we would spend the entire gross EU contribution on the NHS ? We knew it would be difficult, because the EU is difficult, THATS why we knew it was right to get out. Youre still hanging on to that thought that no one knew what they were doing by voting leave, but everyone who voted to stay did. pretty much what i said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, oowee said: pretty much what i said. You said , we didnt vote to leave the customs union or single market, did you not ? If we dont leave those 2 things, we dont leave, because everything else comes with them. Now you could say the people who voted leave didnt understand that if you like... 'David Cameron confirmed Sunday that he will pull Britain out of the single market if there is a vote to leave the European Union at the upcoming referendum. ... MPs could claim they were accepting voters' wishes to withdraw from the EU while protecting them from the economic consequences of leaving the trading area'.13 Jun 2016 Maybe they couldnt read either ? https://www.politico.eu/article/david-cameron-bbc-andrew-marr-ill-pull-uk-out-of-the-single-market-after-brexit-eu-referendum-vote-june-23-consequences-news/ Or listen ? Too thick to comprehend the magnitude of what they were doing perhaps ? You underestimated the mood of the people in the referendum, MPs are underestimating the anger now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Rewulf said: You said , we didnt vote to leave the customs union or single market, did you not ? If we dont leave those 2 things, we dont leave, because everything else comes with them. Now you could say the people who voted leave didnt understand that if you like... 'David Cameron confirmed Sunday that he will pull Britain out of the single market if there is a vote to leave the European Union at the upcoming referendum. ... MPs could claim they were accepting voters' wishes to withdraw from the EU while protecting them from the economic consequences of leaving the trading area'.13 Jun 2016 Maybe they couldnt read either ? https://www.politico.eu/article/david-cameron-bbc-andrew-marr-ill-pull-uk-out-of-the-single-market-after-brexit-eu-referendum-vote-june-23-consequences-news/ Or listen ? Too thick to comprehend the magnitude of what they were doing perhaps ? You underestimated the mood of the people in the referendum, MPs are underestimating the anger now. Wasn't on the ballot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 1 minute ago, oowee said: Wasn't on the ballot. Seriously? To put everything on the ballot paper that would be entailed in extracting us from the EU, itd be a legal paper hundreds of thousands of pages long and we'd never get around to casting our votes as we'd still be reading the paperwork. The suggestion is ridiculous in the extreme! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, oowee said: Wasn't on the ballot. Very poor come back . Disappointed 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 So at the end of all of that fannying around we are back to leave the EU. Don't be disappointed the people have spoken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 13 minutes ago, oowee said: So at the end of all of that fannying around we are back to leave the EU. Don't be disappointed the people have spoken. Alis Propriis Volat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 Alis volat propriis is a Latin phrase used as the motto of U.S. state of Oregon. The official English version of the motto is "She flies with her own wings" Are we out yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mice! said: Alis volat propriis is a Latin phrase used as the motto of U.S. state of Oregon. The official English version of the motto is "She flies with her own wings" Are we out yet? Tonight hopefully we get support for an alternative proposal. Small steps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, oowee said: Tonight hopefully we get support for an alternative proposal. Small steps. Alternative?? In or out, we voted out. I'm not expecting anything from parliament, they couldn't agree on whether it was dark out or not at midnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mice! said: Alternative?? In or out, we voted out. I'm not expecting anything from parliament, they couldn't agree on whether it was dark out or not at midnight. 🙂That's certainly true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoozer Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 Second round of "We aint got a clue what to do" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 Oh joy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 Let me know what goes on please; I no longer watch the news ( and I don't get a paper) as I can't even stand the sight of them anymore, let alone listen to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyefor Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 A Swiss friend of mine quipped today that it will be the first time the people of the UK have seen the end of May before the end of April. Very sharp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 If they can reach a decision? What's the betting they'll vote for a self serving option, designed to deliver what they want politically, and destroys any prospect of delivering the Brexit the country voted for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 I’m beginning to wish that back in 2016 I’d got odds against us leaving. 😕 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoozer Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 Just now, Scully said: I’m beginning to wish that back in 2016 I’d got odds against us leaving. 😕 The way this lots going it might still be a winner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 1, 2019 Report Share Posted April 1, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Snoozer said: The way this lots going it might still be a winner Most certainly, I’m thinking of the odds I could have got back then. I would think remaining is now an odds on favourite at Ladbrokes. Have just checked; they're not as great as I thought they would be! Edited April 1, 2019 by Scully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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