Shearwater Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 On a recent shoot someone had a boatload of Eley steel which didn't fire. . . . turns out they had been left in his 'shooting' transport ( a battered old 4x4) they are now on the way back to Eley but the suspicion is the firing pins were good and the powder has become damp/wet/moist. . . . keep those steels warm and dry! https://www.eleyhawkltd.com/media-events/press-releases/eley-hawk-launches-the-first-disolvable-and-biodegradeable-wad- Seems to have the issue solved BUT how many old stock is there out there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 What’s the message? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearwater Posted October 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 The powder used in steel cartridge is extremely sensitive to moisture ingress and even if it does fire it probably will be less effective but Eley seem to have solved the age old problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 (edited) Edited due to reading on the cartridge box that carts are heat sealed. Apologies to Shearwater the info is in the link in a picture. Wonderif this is the reason they're only standard carts not HP. Don't want too high a pressure. Spoils it for wildfowling where we want hp carts. Unless over close range splashes. Edited October 4, 2019 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 For the new eley expensive eco wad cartridges they are doing what Winchester used to do years ago and welding or fusing the petals together when closing the cartridge, hence preventing moisture entering the cartridge. Not sure if they are doing this for all steel cartridges. to do this the loading machine must be running at a very slow speed and must be one factor in their very high price. the eco wads are very hygroscopic so if they did not seal the contents to moisture the wad is at risk of significantly degrading within the cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 Zut alors! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW95J Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 Anyone have an indication of price for these yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 Click on the link and price in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 5 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Zut alors! Gordon on his holibobs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW95J Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 On 04/10/2019 at 13:33, figgy said: Click on the link and price in there. Not as bad as anticipated. With any luck the price will come down a bit as people switch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 1 hour ago, HW95J said: Not as bad as anticipated. With any luck the price will come down a bit as people switch. Hopefully the prices will come down when competitors see they can make some money without taking the proverbial like Eley are doing!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 Bit of luck plastic wads will be banned and then manufacturers will be forced to mass market them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 They are injection moulded, just like regular plastic, so should be no issue with cost. The current generation of Photo degradable wads are desinged to produce micro plastics and should be phased out along with regular plastic wads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW95J Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 Overall I think it's something we have a real responsibility to be encouraging and using. What we do is relevant to conservation and the natural environment - we make sure to communicate that every time we're criticised (i.e all the time). We have to be promoting best practice and obviously distributing plastic over fields and wetlands is the complete opposite of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 Its a good start. Lets see paper cases too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 18 hours ago, figgy said: Bit of luck plastic wads will be banned and then manufacturers will be forced to mass market them. I would be careful what you wish for! The gamebore card tube type wads have been available for quite some time and like the eco wad that eley and others are now pushing are expensive and only available in 12gauge and cartridge production speeds must be very much slower than with traditional plastic or fibre wads. A ban on lead would be in totality. .410 and 28gauge could become obsolete. Then without traditional plastic wad and fibre wads what price maximum are we all prepared to pay for our cartridges to shoot? Be that clay pigeons, vermin and game. Don’t rely on the card tubes or eco wad prices dropping to that of current wads as their materials are more expensive and production is very much slower due to the methods of manufacture so prices will be a premium price for probably a very long time until hopefully a better environmentally friendly wad is invented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 Why do people keep referring to ‘traditional plastic wads’? There is nothing traditional about plastic wads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 16 minutes ago, London Best said: Why do people keep referring to ‘traditional plastic wads’? There is nothing traditional about plastic wads. Bad choice of words , non-biodegradable, one use plastic waste, litter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 Fiber shot cups are cheap enough, big cart manufacturers are just having our pants down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, figgy said: Fiber shot cups are cheap enough, big cart manufacturers are just having our pants down. I do not believe for one minute that the cartridge companies are actually trying to 'rip us off' (AGAIN) ! 😯 Maybe we should be insisting that no plastic cups or bottles are taken into, or sold, in football grounds too (no chance). Edited October 6, 2019 by Westley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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