daisyrob1 Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 So when you buy your carts do you ask for a box of anything because you don't give a ****! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, daisyrob1 said: So when you buy your carts do you ask for a box of anything because you don't give a ****! No. I buy a quantity of, mostly, 28 gram 7’s, fibre wad. I would not dream of buying a cartridge with a plastic wad, never have. And I don’t sit measuring the pellets and counting them either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, daisyrob1 said: Norgas have the 7.5 as 2.3mm on the slab I've got 2.4mm! Rumour as it their actually a seven and a quarter😀anybody fancy counting one? he also has 71/2 in 2.4 mm if you read full list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daisyrob1 Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, hawkfanz said: he also has 71/2 in 2.4 mm if you read full list. Not in tt1 2.3mm,2.4 on mine 11 minutes ago, London Best said: No. I buy a quantity of, mostly, 28 gram 7’s, fibre wad. I would not dream of buying a cartridge with a plastic wad, never have. And I don’t sit measuring the pellets and counting them either. Neither do I! But you should be getting what you think your getting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 Never had any ‘customers’ complain! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: Much like, what is the difference between 30g 6’s in a pigeon cartridge VS 30g 6’s in a game cartridge? Often the antimony content, inexpensive pigeon cartridges are often pure lead or 1% Sb, coupled with cheaper hull and cheaper powder with slightly lower velocity but still do 99% of what the game cartridge does and as most peoples shooting is not extreme they cope well enough. Edited January 5, 2020 by Stonepark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Stonepark said: Often the antimony content, inexpensive pigeon cartridges are often pure lead or 1% Sb, coupled with cheaper hull and cheaper powder with slightly lower velocity but still do 99% of what the game cartridge does and ss most peoples shooting is not extreme they cope well enough. Oh there's that word again! EXTREME. Buy the cheapest shells you are happy with that you can get on a regular basis! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 hours ago, daisyrob1 said: Not in tt1 2.3mm,2.4 on mine Neither do I! But you should be getting what you think your getting Yep. Because I'm spending 2 or 3 £100 at a time I want to know what I'm getting so I'll get a box, check them and if OK go for it. Bar the 20b, by coincidence all of my 7s come in at 350 to the 28g and are good round shot - some better than others because they suit one particular gun. The 20b at 25g come in at 330 in total or 375/0z - who mentioned 7&1/4? - which has its advantages As for counting them, because of a couple of hours work one wet afternoon some 40 years ago, less than a minute per cartridge - open, pour, check, pour and close crimp.: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daisyrob1 Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 53 minutes ago, wymberley said: Yep. Because I'm spending 2 or 3 £100 at a time I want to know what I'm getting so I'll get a box, check them and if OK go for it. Bar the 20b, by coincidence all of my 7s are good round shot - some better than others because they suit one particular gun - and come in at 350 to the 28g. The 20b at 25g come in at 330 in total or 375/0z - who mentioned 7&1/4? - which has its advantages As for counting them, because of a couple of hours work one wet afternoon some 40 years ago, less than a minute per cartridge - open, pour, check, pour and close crimp.: Clay shooting magazine had the pellet count at 375 hence the 7 1/4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 Whilst you are being so meticulous, don’t forget that 28 grams is not actually 1 ounce. Isn’t it 28,3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, London Best said: Whilst you are being so meticulous, don’t forget that 28 grams is not actually 1 ounce. Isn’t it 28,3? Being pedantic, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) Genuine question, what is the correct conversion? Found it.......28,35 Edited January 5, 2020 by London Best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biketestace Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 20 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: Does anyone know a continental size clay cart that is actually a 28g UK size 7 please? I would like to give some a try on game 👍🏻 Victory Sporter 7.5 UK 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perazzishot Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 I honestly can't believe anyone is advocating shooting a January pheasant with 7.5s. I'm surprised you are not recommending skeet chokes to go with them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 ‘Skeet choke’ is a horrible American term applicable to target guns. Pheasants are shot with improved cylinder chokes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 16 minutes ago, Perazzishot said: I honestly can't believe anyone is advocating shooting a January pheasant with 7.5s. I'm surprised you are not recommending skeet chokes to go with them! Not every shoot if off hill top's and 40-50+ yard high birds. I have seen many bird this season that were coming over at say 20 ish yards that would be perfect for a 28g 7 through an improved cylinder choke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daisyrob1 Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 19 minutes ago, Perazzishot said: I honestly can't believe anyone is advocating shooting a January pheasant with 7.5s. I'm surprised you are not recommending skeet chokes to go with them! Shot 2 last week with 7s 3/4 choke 35/ 40 yards dead in the air when plucked double figure strikes, no chance flying of pricked! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Perazzishot said: I honestly can't believe anyone is advocating shooting a January pheasant with 7.5s. I'm surprised you are not recommending skeet chokes to go with them! English 7's are good to 40 yards for any pheasant no matter the month you shoot it in. IC with 28g No 7 has 167 pellets in 30 inch circle at 40 yards, over twice what 34 g No 4 has at 55 yards with full choke. Pattern Kills Edited January 5, 2020 by Stonepark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perazzishot Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 Turn up at most decent driven pheasant shoots in the country with 28g of 7.5s you would not be allowed to shoot. Don'y give 2 jots about pattern you have to put it in the right place and if you are pricking birds (it happens) with 7.5 shot you have zero percent chance of recovering it. As for using IC chokes. Seriously! 1/2 choke as a minimum for all game shooting. And some of you are condemning high bird shooting yet treating game like going skeet shooting. If you are shooting 20yd pheasants use a .410 or at the very most a 28g. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 19 minutes ago, Stonepark said: English 7's are good to 40 yards for any pheasant no matter the month you shoot it in. IC with 28g No 7 has 167 pellets in 30 inch circle at 40 yards, over twice what 34 g No 4 has at 55 yards. Pattern Kills This, all day, all season, no matter the month. I shot a small (100 bird ) driven day yesterday with exactly this combination. I fired 23 shots for 12 very decent birds, no runners. 3 minutes ago, Perazzishot said: Turn up at most decent driven pheasant shoots in the country with 28g of 7.5s you would not be allowed to shoot. Don'y give 2 jots about pattern you have to put it in the right place and if you are pricking birds (it happens) with 7.5 shot you have zero percent chance of recovering it. As for using IC chokes. Seriously! 1/2 choke as a minimum for all game shooting. Utter twaddle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 22 minutes ago, Perazzishot said: Turn up at most decent driven pheasant shoots in the country with 28g of 7.5s you would not be allowed to shoot. Don'y give 2 jots about pattern you have to put it in the right place and if you are pricking birds (it happens) with 7.5 shot you have zero percent chance of recovering it. As for using IC chokes. Seriously! 1/2 choke as a minimum for all game shooting. And some of you are condemning high bird shooting yet treating game like going skeet shooting. If you are shooting 20yd pheasants use a .410 or at the very most a 28g. What an absolute load of nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Perazzishot said: Turn up at most decent driven pheasant shoots in the country with 28g of 7.5s you would not be allowed to shoot. Don'y give 2 jots about pattern you have to put it in the right place and if you are pricking birds (it happens) with 7.5 shot you have zero percent chance of recovering it. As for using IC chokes. Seriously! 1/2 choke as a minimum for all game shooting. And some of you are condemning high bird shooting yet treating game like going skeet shooting. If you are shooting 20yd pheasants use a .410 or at the very most a 28g. Perazzi, 2.4mm shot is No7 UK, 340 per Oz, UK 7 1/2 is 400 per Oz, we are all talking 340 pellets per Oz UK No7 or continental 7.5. I severely doubt a normal (not extreme) shoot that would turn away a gun with 1oz No7 Eley Impax cartridges, so why would they turn away a gun with cartridges with same load and pellet size and pellets going 200fps faster at the muzzle. I have certainly never experienced any issues. You injure a lot less birds with twice the number of shot in the pattern, there are no gaps. Traditional English GAME guns are nearly all choked cyl/quarter or IC/half or as I prefer IC/1/4. We are just using physics to our advantage, adequate pellet energy plus lots of pellets = dead birds. As you are aware from other threads, I do (as do others on here) use my 410 with 18g or 21g No7 to kill pheasants reliably to 35 yards. Edited January 5, 2020 by Stonepark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 I'm surprised anyone's got the patience for this debate anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 46 minutes ago, London Best said: This, all day, all season, no matter the month. I shot a small (100 bird ) driven day yesterday with exactly this combination. I fired 23 shots for 12 very decent birds, no runners. So mostly second barrel kills is the gun you were using improved cylinder in both? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 21 minutes ago, Old farrier said: So mostly second barrel kills is the gun you were using improved cylinder in both? Have to say, there's an old RAF flight safety poster that may well apply here: "Don't assume, check". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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