wymberley Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, lancer425 said: Why do you have to use steel. ? Shooting has indeed been under atack for years, but BASC have always helped us where they could. I do not agree with you. Why do you have to use bismuth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Old farrier said: Entitled to a view and a comment but not a answer from the organisations that you are not a member of what have you personally done to counter the anti attack? when a organisation affects my sport which basc HAS done l am entitled to a answer i have had some serious disagreements with antis in town over shooting rest assured Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 minute ago, wymberley said: Why do you have to use bismuth? because he can afford it,he'll be along pretty soon with a couple more replies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 minute ago, wymberley said: Why do you have to use bismuth? I presume you make reference to my post on moulded AAA in Shot-gunning foxes. Indian creek choke etc RIGHT ? 1 minute ago, andrewluke said: because he can afford it,he'll be along pretty soon with a couple more replies I do not see what that has to do with anything least alone you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, David BASC said: No one has banned lead, we want to work together to ensue shooting is seen as sustainable, and plan to deliver this over the next 5 years. Accept that some are not happy but for those that are complaining have you read and understood the threats coming from Europe? What we have done it to have done as much as we can to get on the front foot to control the situation Have BASC got an idea on what they want to do if, say in 5 years time there is no suitable alternative to lead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, andrewluke said: because he can afford it,he'll be along pretty soon with a couple more replies your going to be as popular as i am at this rate my friend 9 minutes ago, David BASC said: No one has banned lead, we want to work together to ensue shooting is seen as sustainable, and plan to deliver this over the next 5 years. Accept that some are not happy but for those that are complaining have you read and understood the threats coming from Europe? What we have done it to have done as much as we can to get on the front foot to control the situation nobody is claiming it has been banned but it will be in time thanks to basc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, lancer425 said: I do not see what that has to do with anything least alone you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 shot Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Farmboy91 said: Have BASC got an idea on what they want to do if, say in 5 years time there is no suitable alternative to lead? Blame the cartridge companies I would imagine, they will have had long enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 26 minutes ago, clangerman said: because i have to put up with their failure to counter the antis threat sacs explained they were misled by basc and thanks to basc calling for a ban i now have to use steel instead of lead that’s why i am entitled to my view they affect my sport But you don't have to use steel; lead hasn't been banned. I'm still using lead as are many others, so why are you using steel if you'd prefer to use lead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 Just now, Scully said: But you don't have to use steel; lead hasn't been banned. I'm still using lead as are many others, so why are you using steel if you'd prefer to use lead? borrowed half a box then thought might as well buy some it’s done after basc called for a voluntary ban stuffed now getting on with using it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, 8 shot said: Blame the cartridge companies I would imagine, they will have had long enough. I wasn't actually digging with that question, I would genuinely like to know. I can't believe the big 4 will spend the next 5 years doing nothing regarding finding a suitable replacement. Would be a dangerous game to play for them I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, Scully said: But you don't have to use steel; lead hasn't been banned. I'm still using lead as are many others, so why are you using steel if you'd prefer to use lead? Exactly, carry on using lead and just ignore basc, after all with what is going on in the world I think it may be a very long time before the government worries about banning lead. Cartridge manufacture may yet go out of business or certainly have no spare money for R&D given clay shooting will significantly be affected over the remainder of this year as will game shooting unless this virus is stoped very quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, rbrowning2 said: Exactly, carry on using lead and just ignore basc, after all with what is going on in the world I think it may be a very long time before the government worries about banning lead. Cartridge manufacture may yet go out of business or certainly have no spare money for R&D given clay shooting will significantly be affected over the remainder of this year as will game shooting unless this virus is stoped very quickly. your right it’s getting a bit much i hoped clangerman fans might pay for me to isolate on a tropical island Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsDad Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, clangerman said: i now have to use steel instead of lead Would you kindly tell me where this is laid down, because I am in two of the organisations who signed up to the voluntary phasing out of single use plastic and lead shot and I can find nothing saying lead is now banned ? Nothing on the cartridge manufacturers web sites either, so can only assume you are privvy to some inside information. Edited March 17, 2020 by JJsDad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, JJsDad said: Would you kindly tell me where this is laid down, becaust I am in two of the organisations who signed up to the voluntary phasing out of single use plastic and lead shot and I can find nothing saying lead is now banned ? Nothing on the cartridge manufacturers web sites either, so can only assume you are privvy to some inside information. already explained it mate after basc called for a voluntary it’s a done deal basc has stuffed the use of lead just buy the steel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 minute ago, JJsDad said: Would you kindly tell me where this is laid down, becaust I am in two of the organisations who signed up to the voluntary phasing out of single use plastic and lead shot and I can find nothing saying lead is now banned ? Nothing on the cartridge manufacturers web sites either, so can only assume you are privvy to some inside information. shooters had a hard enough of a fight for lead shot when BASC was backing them,now that BASC want it banned what do you think will happen next?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, clangerman said: your right it’s getting a bit much i hoped clangerman fans might pay for me to isolate on a tropical island Think you have left it to late to leave unless you have your own plane or boat. with clay grounds starting to close due to the virus then the sport is heading for trouble the commercial grounds should qualify for government financial help but what about the Clubs who will financially support them when they can no longer pay their rent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 shot Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, Farmboy91 said: I wasn't actually digging with that question, I would genuinely like to know. I can't believe the big 4 will spend the next 5 years doing nothing regarding finding a suitable replacement. Would be a dangerous game to play for them I think. It was a genuine answer. The BASC can sit back now, ball is firmly in ours and the cartridge companies court. They now have a five year window for...........marketing the millions of toxic free gamebirds Europe are gagging for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 minute ago, rbrowning2 said: Think you have left it to late to leave unless you have your own plane or boat. with clay grounds starting to close due to the virus then the sport is heading for trouble the commercial grounds should qualify for government financial help but what about the Clubs who will financially support them when they can no longer pay their rent. the whole shooting industry is going to take a big hit all we can do is spend a few quid out tomorrow just to take my mind of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, 8 shot said: It was a genuine answer. The BASC can sit back now, ball is firmly in ours and the cartridge companies court. They now have a five year window for...........marketing the millions of toxic free gamebirds Europe are gagging for. Hmmm. I sincerely hope they support them through this. It would go away to help repair the some of the damage done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 3 hours ago, clangerman said: your going to be as popular as i am at this rate my friend nobody is claiming it has been banned but it will be in time thanks to basc How on earth did you draw that conclusion. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 3 hours ago, clangerman said: your going to be as popular as i am at this rate my friend nobody is claiming it has been banned but it will be in time despite basc Corrected that for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AULD YIN Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 For the foreseeable future the government has enough on its plate to keep us alive, it will be a long road before they have time to bother about lead so as it stands 75 pages down the pan,,,,my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 10 hours ago, clangerman said: borrowed half a box then thought might as well buy some it’s done after basc called for a voluntary ban stuffed now getting on with using it Well thats entirely up to you, but there’s no need. Personally I think you’ve lost the argument over this aspect but are stubbornly digging your heels in to make a point. You don’t need to use steel if you don’t want to. 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 Lets stick to the facts, BASC has not banned lead! The shooting orgs want to see a phase out of lead and single use plastics over the next 5 years. The cartridge manufacturers have been producing non lead and non plastic wad cartridges in increasing numbers over the years. They like the shooting organisations are very aware of what ECHA has delivered in its reports on lead and what the European Commission have asked ECHA to do next. In that context is would be grossly negligent to ignore this and plough on as if nothing was happening. Changes are coming whether we like it or not, but by taking the current course of action the organisations have put shooting on the front foot. There are already a wide range of cartridges available in non lead in 12 and 20 bore and the cartridge manufacturers will, I am sure, produce more based on market demand. However, personally I do feel there is the need to develop a 2 1/2 inch 12 bore in standard steel, as well as to look at some of the other calibres, but as I say that's very much in the hands of the manufactures and market demand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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