mick miller Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, scolopax said: indefensible...by that I presume using lead for live quarry shooting ? Nope, large commercial shoots, the bus under which everyone else has been thrown. Edited February 28, 2020 by mick miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver fox 1 Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 20 minutes ago, mick miller said: And as if we (who are not enthralled/blind) couldn't have seen it coming...https://www.league.org.uk/blog/shooting-lobby-admits-to-lying?fbclid=IwAR1CqOZU6ND_IDk6R7hDtVPxYR8NaLkmUt1mXgsm-jfvLN5XUIZ4CFZ2ios Dusty old men, with dusty old views, making dusty decisions to preserve the undefendable... Exactly why the shooting organisations need to be on top of their game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Papercase said: Agreed - I think this'll be a right kick up the ****. To be honest I feel like they may have been pushed - something behind the scenes must have happened. when they ALL finished hiding from the fire somebody needs to own up for the decision this did not happen on its own i’m outraged sacs is trying to pass the buck a piece of my mind is heading their way shortly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) Looks like the orgs (BASC mainly by the looks of it) have well and truly messed up and it's the normal shooters that are going to pay for their monumental mistake. If I was still a member of BASC, I would be demanding a refund on my membership! Edited February 28, 2020 by Newbie to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver fox 1 Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) looks like to me they all jumped on the same band wagon and not one of the organisations done any homework, and these are the people we are putting Our trust in The mind boggles And now the finger-pointing has begun, Edited February 28, 2020 by silver fox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 @David BASC I know you have been reading this, but not commenting. I really think you (and all main staff) need to resign and walk away. This is a mess, of a mess, of a mess. You lot are done (or remain hanging on like Corbyn. REALLY?) Use (our money) aka the fighting fund to bring NRA staff over for the the USA to take control of BASC. Can it be done? You lot, threw away your employment rights 5 days ago. If you think you didn’t, you are simply ‘slugs’ milking us all.... David? Thoughts..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 57 minutes ago, Papercase said: Agreed - I think this'll be a right kick up the ****. To be honest I feel like they may have been pushed - something behind the scenes must have happened. ********!! Its an organisation to represent the views of the members. They have grown too big for their own boots. A very good chance someone has had a back hander from a big steel cartridge producer. The organisations are already shouting that they were told the cartridge manufacturers were on-board. The cartridge manufacturers are shouting that none of them were consulted. Someone has had a big back hander and messed this all up. HEADS MUST ROLL!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 41 minutes ago, markm said: @David BASC I know you have been reading this, but not commenting. I really think you (and all main staff) need to resign and walk away. This is a mess, of a mess, of a mess. You lot are done (or remain hanging on like Corbyn. REALLY?) Use (our money) aka the fighting fund to bring NRA staff over for the the USA to take control of BASC. Can it be done? You lot, threw away your employment rights 5 days ago. If you think you didn’t, you are simply ‘slugs’ milking us all.... David? Thoughts..... How old are you. 12 ? no 13 surely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, lancer425 said: How old are you. 12 ? no 13 surely. Fourteen actually. That’s all you’re getting from me. Please, before belittling, learn about punctuation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 minute ago, markm said: Fourteen actually. That’s all you’re getting from me. Thank you for clarifying that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 27 minutes ago, lancer425 said: How old are you. 12 ? no 13 surely. What’s your problem with what he said? A shooting organisation that’s supposed to represent its members, have not consulted with members, told other organisations that cartridge manufacturers have been consulted (when they have not) and announced a “voluntary” ban on lead shot, whilst being paid by certain steel shot cartridge producers. It’s an absolute shambles and disgrace, the people in charge should be sacked!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AULD YIN Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 SACS wishes to clarify that it is our understanding that cartridge manufacturers were consulted on the proposed five-year This part of SACS reply makes me wonder ,were they part of the consultation or were they told that there had a consultation ,if so by whom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papercase Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 40 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: ********!! Its an organisation to represent the views of the members. They have grown too big for their own boots. A very good chance someone has had a back hander from a big steel cartridge producer. The organisations are already shouting that they were told the cartridge manufacturers were on-board. The cartridge manufacturers are shouting that none of them were consulted. Someone has had a big back hander and messed this all up. HEADS MUST ROLL!! I'd imagine most likely that through the back channels of government they have been told that the position on lead is untenable - laws will be coming in and you can either work with it at a steady rate or it'll be legislated. After everything with general licences - nothing is set in stone, the rug can be pulled from underneath in not time at all. I would imagine this would be needed pull all of those organisations together. Heads will roll? - this isn't a witch hunt, the ends don't justify the means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: What’s your problem with what he said. Everything. YOMV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 4 hours ago, johnnytheboy said: I was in one of the UKs biggest gunshops and I listened to an interesting argument, that we all should fight a lead shot ban, for as long as possible, the reasoning presented behind that was that the ordinary working man who shoots now and again might not be able to afford a steel proofed gun and that the day a lead shot ban arrives it’s only the more affluent members of the community that can afford to take part. Then as a general rule of thumb it’s easier for the general public to put pressure on us as it’s a class vote, it become like fox hunting, the general public are just voting against posh ***** in their perception! Seems like a reasonable argument! Then today I get an email offering BASC discount on a £50000 Maserati Where is the working man in all this? Pretty much ANY shooting man can afford a steel proofed gun. If he can't, then that probably means he is struggling to put food on the table. Anyway, as I have said countless times before, a steel proofed gun is not necessarily required to use steel cartridges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, AULD YIN said: SACS wishes to clarify that it is our understanding that cartridge manufacturers were consulted on the proposed five-year This part of SACS reply makes me wonder ,were they part of the consultation or were they told that there had a consultation ,if so by whom I think you are right, also i think we are giving way too much credence to the initial response from the cartridge manufacturers . After the event"Announcement of the voluntary ban on lead in live quarry / plaswads etc" . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 4 hours ago, rbrowning2 said: I would be surprised if even all the UK cartridge manufactures combined together they would have the resources to create a biodegradable plastic wad, bioammo the new Spanish company need an 8 million euro grant to get up and running, express accounts showed their operating profits were 29.2% down last year. It could be many years of R&D to create the correct plastic and they would start from scratch they are cartridge manufactures not scientists working in the world of plastics. Not even the wad manufactures like B&P or Gualandi have achieved it yet. Hence why they say they are hopping the plastics industry in general crack the problem. Well, no, they wouldn't be creating the correct plastic wad. It wouldn't BE plastic! I firmly believe that firms are already well underway with developments of new wads. It can't be that much of a secret what the ingredients etc are in Eley's wads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 10 minutes ago, Papercase said: I'd imagine most likely that through the back channels of government they have been told that the position on lead is untenable - laws will be coming in and you can either work with it at a steady rate or it'll be legislated. After everything with general licences - nothing is set in stone, the rug can be pulled from underneath in not time at all. I would imagine this would be needed pull all of those organisations together. Heads will roll? - this isn't a witch hunt, the ends don't justify the means. Exactly . there as been some reason for this, that we may or may never get to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, lancer425 said: Exactly . there as been some reason for this, that we may or may never get to know. If the organisations represent us, then they need to give us the full facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 1 minute ago, motty said: Well, no, they wouldn't be creating the correct plastic wad. It wouldn't BE plastic! I firmly believe that firms are already well underway with developments of new wads. It can't be that much of a secret what the ingredients etc are in Eley's wads. Lets face it what exactly is wrong with the fibre cups? Will need improving re strength perhaps and could be increased production could bring down prices from their current price. But £14 a 100 is not that far off some current steel wads RSI for instance. I still buy them at those prices . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AULD YIN Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, lancer425 said: I think you are right, also i think we are giving way too much credence to the initial response from the cartridge manufacturers . After the event"Announcement of the voluntary ban on lead in live quarry / plaswads etc" . . My point is, somebody is lying BASC ,the cartridge manufacturers ,and if SACS was not part of the consultation was any other orgs that BASC listed there? Has any member of the other orgs had an email or is it only SACS members? Edited February 29, 2020 by AULD YIN add on info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, AULD YIN said: My point is, somebody is lying BASC ,the cartridge manufacturers ,and if SACS was not part of the consultation was any other orgs that BASC listed there? We have ALL of those shooting orgs issuing that statement earlier in the week. Now we get ALL the cartridge companies saying they were not consulted. Too MANY ALLs for my liking. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, lancer425 said: Lets face it what exactly is wrong with the fibre cups? Will need improving re strength perhaps and could be increased production could bring down prices from their current price. But £14 a 100 is not that far off some current steel wads RSI for instance. I still buy them at those prices . The fibre cups aren't particularly good. Not many wildfowlers (that i know of) use them. However, they could well be improved. Edited February 29, 2020 by motty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 25 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: If the organisations represent us, then they need to give us the full facts. They might in the fullness of time. The short statement issued by basc and those by some others will be followed by more in the not too distant future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AULD YIN Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, lancer425 said: We have ALL of those shooting orgs issuing that statement earlier in the week. Now we get ALL the cartridge companies saying they were not consulted. Too MANY ALLs for my liking. . This is the email i got today and this is the one i asked if any other members has the same email from their orgs SACS CLARIFICATION STATEMENT ON LEAD SHOT Dear SACS Member, Following the cartridge manufacturer's joint statement today, SACS wishes to clarify that it is our understanding that cartridge manufacturers were consulted on the proposed five-year transition from lead shot in live quarry shooting with shotguns. Please find below our full clarification statement. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact SACS Director Alex Stoddart on 07879 550750. Best wishes, The SACS Team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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