RAAB. Having allowed ONE American to leave UK he now wants to invite 300,000 CHINESE to enter it!

[enfieldspares]

Heaven help us! One wonders what sort of world Raab, and Priti Patel as she's agreed to this, inhabit?

Having had a hugely divisive Brexit referendum with immigration as part of it now this? We left Hong Kong in 1997. A generation ago. And where we not here once in 1972? Uganda? That was but 30,000. Raab is proposing 300,000. Because although they are Chinese they now don't want to be a different sort of Chinese. With it a route to permanent residence.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/28/uk-will-extend-visas-for-300000-hong-kong-residents-says-raab

The UK can no longer be a lifeboat for people simply to salve the conscience of politicians. Heath in 1972 and Raab now. If the UK had any integrity it'd have given back then in 1997 these in Hong Kong a "one off" on a "use it or lose it" in twelve months window to choose to come to reside in the UK. But not now. Fully twenty-three years after the UK handed Hong Kong back.

But current ex-Gurkha and Commonweatlh soldiers? No says Priti Patel! This sort of privilege isn't for them.

Edited May 31, 2020 by enfieldspares

[Gordon R]

He hasn't done it, has he? Any excuses to put a negative spin on anything. Bit of a talent you have there.

[Yellow Bear]

1 minute ago, Gordon R said:

He hasn't done it, has he? Any excuses to put a negative spin on anything. Bit of a talent you have there.

And would you believe anything of this ilk that the Guardian prints??

[enfieldspares]

The Guardian doesn't require payment to read. I learned on an earlier post on the Breixt thread that the FT does.

Here it is from another open free to read source. Please read to the end where there's lobbying for those born AFTER the UK's exit in 1997:

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-to-increase-hong-kong-visa-rights-if-china-pushes-security-law/

But if you want links to the story on the Financial Times, the Telegraph, the Independent, even the Sun here:

https://www.ft.com/content/0cf70de8-fd10-4a5c-8303-fbd2b0b3811e

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/05/29/giving-british-citizenship-300000-hong-kongers-will-boost-economy/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hong-kong-residents-uk-china-visa-security-law-a9537996.html

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11732151/britain-visa-hong-kong-china-security-laws/

GORDON R: Negative spin? So I take it that you aren't worried about the prospect of it happening? If it has, as it has, been cleared with Priti Patel it's actually further down the track as a done matter than you think.

And no different to the negative spin that others here put on "Remain" back in 2016. But I guess it's only negative spin to those with a different viewpoint

YELLOW BEAR: But I guess you won't believe anything that the FT, Telegraph, Independent, the Sun (well I'd agree with that doubt) print either?

They've ALL made it up too I suppose?

 

Edited May 31, 2020 by enfieldspares

[Gordon R]

Just so we are clear - you said Raab allowed one American to leave. Just who are you talking about and how did Raab allow him / her to leave? Your words - now back them up. Otherwise we might think you are posting rubbish for the sake of it.

[enfieldspares]

Sacoolas. Do you want it spoon fed?

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ITV News. 28 April 2020:

In the days after Mr Dunn's death, Northamptonshire Police said the Foreign Office told them Ms Sacoolas had diplomatic immunity and they would seek a waiver.

Over the following fortnight, Northamptonshire Police said they were not informed about the legality of Ms Sacoolas's immunity while she was still in the UK.

On Friday September 13, two senior Foreign Office officials met US embassy staff who said diplomatic immunity would not be waived and that the Sacoolas family would return to the US unless the UK had strong objections - something which officials say they expressed.

However just a day later, on Saturday, September 14, a senior Foreign Office official sent a text to their US embassy counterpart, which read: "I think that now the decision has been taken not to waive, (immunity) there's not much mileage in us asking you to keep the family here.

"It's obviously not us approving of their departure but I think you should feel able to put them on the next flight out..."

Nod, nod, wink, wink. In other words. 

[Gordon R]

You are evading the question. You cited Raab - back it up. You might need the spoon to dig the hole deeper.

[enfieldspares]

The answer is as always in what words the writer of the piece uses. The writer uses not "a Foreign Office official" but "a senior Foreign Office official". That means usually in the way these words are used not a civil servant but a politico and in any case a Minister takes responsibility for his officials. A decision at that level on what would have been known to be a political "hot potato" is not made at civil servant level it is made an Secretary of State...Raab...level.

Edited May 31, 2020 by enfieldspares

[Gordon R]

You cited Raab and can't back it up. How can you expect to be taken seriously. You have little grasp of facts.

If you had taken the time to read the stuff you post, you would find how and why she returned to USA, which had nothing to do with Raab at all. 

 

[DoolinDalton]

So....are we getting 300,000 Chinese Hong Kong citizens here or not?  If so, where do we put them?

[Retsdon]

Hong Kong Chinese are renowned for being resourceful, hard-working, and law-abiding. A large number are rich too. Look at the investments they've made in Canada and New Zealand.

Priti Patel herself comes from Ugandan Asian stock, so will doubtless see the benefits of bringing similar people to Britain. They'll help with the post-Brexit economy. 

Where's the problem? And what's more...

'Raab told the BBC on Sunday that he did not expect tens of thousands to take up the offer since many in the city may not wish to leave or would go to other countries in the region.'https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/01/seven-former-foreign-secretaries-urge-uk-to-take-lead-on-hong-kong

But there again... 'Tony Blair admits he did not realise how many migrants would come to the UK after EU expanded...'https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/19/tony-blair-admits-did-not-realise-many-migrants-would-come-uk/

Oh well, as our friends across the Channel say, plus ca change plus c'est la meme chose...

 

Edited June 1, 2020 by Retsdon

[Scully]

I have no problem with 300,000 Hong Kong Chinese coming here, none whatsoever. 

[Mighty Ruler]

I’m concerned about overcrowding on our little island but morally we should take them. Perhaps we could have a complete ban on any other migrants for a while?

[Retsdon]

In today's Telegraph. Boris Johnson says 3m people in Hong Kong will get path to British citizenshipPM offered to make what he says would be one of the "biggest changes" in the history of the British visa system

Not a very sensible decision IMHO. Ethnic Chinese, whose parents or grandparents were refugees from conflicts in China, these days dominate or control the economies of just about every country in South East Asia.

That's not a racial criticism btw, it's just a fact. And what's also true is that when it comes to business, the Chinese are far more inclined to establish partnerships, deals or alliances across borders with ethnic Chinese in other countries than they are with non-Chinese in their home countries. But they're law abiding, hard-working, and will doubtless contribute to the economy. 

Anyway, if Johnson pushes this through, make no mistake. Not only would it be one of the 'biggest changes' in the history of the visa system, it would be one of the biggest changes in British history. 

 

 

[blackbird]

On 01/06/2020 at 17:21, Mighty Ruler said:

I’m concerned about overcrowding on our little island but morally we should take them. Perhaps we could have a complete ban on any other migrants for a while?

Maybe if good old Great Britain had  not taken over Hong Kong in 1841 we just might not have this problem today.

Edited June 3, 2020 by blackbird

[scouser]

If I recall correctly, when H.K. was  handed back to China ,  Britain would only accept them if they had 1/2 mill in the bank, please correct me if I am wrong.

[REDINGTON]

As with all influxes of people from around the planet coming here ,,, there's bound to be a few "bad apples" 

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-and-crime/article/3086549/hong-kong-schoolboy-beaten-unconscious-fire

The existing crime lords already running the County drug  lines,  grooming gangs, people trafficking, and  a multitude of other criminal pastimes, are going to have a great time with the triads. interesting times ahead, coming to a town near you,,, if this actually happens.

[Retsdon]

1 hour ago, REDINGTON said:

As with all influxes of people from around the planet coming here ,,, there's bound to be a few "bad apples" 

It's not the bad apples that should be the concern. It's the good ones. If the Tories let 3 million Hong Kong Chinese into the country, I'll guarantee that by the time your grandchildren are grown up the car dealerships, the real estate agencies, the insurance companies, the logistics companies, the private health companies, etc, etc, will nearly all, at the upper and mid- levels, be dominated or owned by ethnic Chinese. 

Does that matter? Well, possibly not. There'll make work available. And they're good people. My few good Thai friends have all been ethnic Chinese. But like I say, take 3 million into the UK, and the social and economic landscape will be irrevocably changed.

So you'd have thought that it's a decision deserving of some sort of public debate. But of course, the Brittania Unchained mob are revolutionaries, and revolutionaries don't do debate. The masses get what's good for them whether they like it or not. 

 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

3 million OR 300 000?

[Retsdon]

1 minute ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

3 million OR 300 000?

Today's Telegraph says 3 million. 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Blimey, it's getting worse!

[Gordon R]

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So you'd have thought that it's a decision deserving of some sort of public debate.

It will be debated in the media and Parliament. What had you in mind? A referendum?

[Retsdon]

16 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Blimey, it's getting worse!

You need to read Brittania Unchained.  Raab, Truscott, Patel, and the people who support their vision of turning Britain into a free marketeers Utopia are not Conservatives with a small c. On the contrary, they are out and out revolutionaries who have gained control of the country, using the Conservative Party as camouflage. 

Unfortunately, so many people in the country were busy looking leftward worrying about the bicycle riding Momentum that they failed to spot the juggernaut of right wing revolution coming from the right.

And now it's here. 

6 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

It will be debated in the media and Parliament. What had you in mind? A referendum?

Why not? It'll change the country far more than Brexit. And it's irreversible. But you won't get a debate. Priti Patel and her friends think the British are 'the worst idlers in the world', and the Labour party won't hear a word against immigrants. Rock and a hard place... 

Edited June 3, 2020 by Retsdon

[Gordon R]

Nothing is irreversible. I think that the country is heartily sick of "once in a lifetime" referendums, which are suggested at the drop of a hat.

[ditchman]

25 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

3 million OR 300 000?

BBc says 3 million...............