Lewis Hamilton

[JohnfromUK]

Just now, Raja Clavata said:

the early career of Colston mapped to modern day circumstances would make him a human trafficker?

I don't think you can map like that. 

You could equally map to "commodity trader".  What he did was not illegal in his time - indeed it was widely done and accepted as 'normal'.  Human trafficking is now illegal (certainly in most countries if not all) and not accepted as 'the norm', though it is known to take place it is generally sought out and stopped.

[Raja Clavata]

Just now, JohnfromUK said:

I don't think you can map like that. 

You could equally map to "commodity trader".  What he did was not illegal in his time - indeed it was widely done and accepted as 'normal'.  Human trafficking is now illegal (certainly in most countries if not all) and not accepted as 'the norm', though it is known to take place it is generally sought out and stopped.

Hence why I qualified with legalities aside. Anyway, my opening suggestion was an initial position on the basis of negotiation, I'll see you half way and conclude he'd be a trader in conflict minerals. Deal?

Edited June 12, 2020 by Raja Clavata
he'd not he's

[JohnfromUK]

2 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

Deal?

I'm not really in the 'deal' mood - since i read this morning that the 'Don't mention the War" episode of Fawlty Towers has now been removed for being racialist (or something 'offensive'), but OK, Deal.

[Raja Clavata]

That's just plain bloody ridiculous. A classic.

[JohnfromUK]

Just now, Raja Clavata said:

That's just plain bloody ridiculous. A classic.

My take with anything on TV, radio, internet etc - if you don't like it - turn it off or watch something else.

Mine spends most of its time 'off' - because TV seems mainly Packham - and I don't like him. 

Mind you I suppose I might be a tiny bit hypocritical because I did sign the petition to have him sacked - but I didn't hang dead cows (or whatever they were) on his gate.

[Raja Clavata]

Were are on the same side here. Just different ideas on how to unravel this mess.

[Scully]

36 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

I'm not really in the 'deal' mood - since i read this morning that the 'Don't mention the War" episode of Fawlty Towers has now been removed for being racialist (or something 'offensive')

I sincerely hope that isn’t true.
It’s not too far a leap from there to stop VE Day celebrations on the same basis. 

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, Scully said:

I sincerely hope that isn’t true.
It’s not too far a leap from there to stop VE Day celebrations on the same basis. 

I think it was more to do with Major Gowans comments about the differences between Indians and West Indians in the cricket, but not sure - the article was garbled.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53020335

 

[Raja Clavata]

I'm sorry, I know this won't be popular but why couldn't the government step in and mandate that no such actions will take place until the matter has been fully reviewed.

Again, it's another example of this government sitting on their hands and doing nothing. I find it really sad.

[JohnfromUK]

9 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

I know this won't be popular but why couldn't the government step in and mandate that no such actions will take place until the matter has been fully reviewed.

I think the 'protesters' would have a field day if the Government was to prevent the removal of things the BBC deems (possibly) racially biased.  I agree it shouldn't happen, but the Government to interfere?

The best thing the Government should do is ensure we have a fair and genuinely unbiased BBC with some backbone.  That the BBC will remove Fawlty Towers for 'bias/potentially inflammatory' but allow Packham, Maitlis etc. to go on speaks volumes.

[udderlyoffroad]

13 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

I'm sorry, I know this won't be popular but why couldn't the government step in and mandate that no such actions will take place until the matter has been fully reviewed.

Again, it's another example of this government sitting on their hands and doing nothing. I find it really sad.

You  want the government to dictate what a private company (UKTV in this case) can and cannot offer as a product?

[Raja Clavata]

2 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

I think the 'protesters' would have a field day if the Government was to prevent the removal of things the BBC deems (possibly) racially biased.  I agree it shouldn't happen, but the Government to interfere?

The best thing the Government should do is ensure we have a fair and genuinely unbiased BBC with some backbone.  That the BBC will remove Fawlty Towers for 'bias/potentially inflammatory' but allow Packham, Maitlis etc. to go on speaks volumes.

Instead they are having a field day through Government inactivity.

2 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said:

You  want the government to dictate what a private company (UKTV in this case) can and cannot offer as a product?

I just wanted the government to act pre-emptively / pro-actively to avoid this madness. They could have provided direction / advice on the basis of doing what is right for the country as a whole. This has been discussed on another thread. 

[udderlyoffroad]

Just now, Raja Clavata said:

I just wanted the government to act pre-emptively / pro-actively to avoid this madness.

You mentioned they could announce a review of what statues are where.  I'm not even sure this is within remit of the national government - that kind of thing rests with councils, but am no expert on local Government.

As for UKTV removing the 'German' episode, because the Major uses the 'n' word...the whole point of that particular joke was about old attitudes and it no longer being acceptable to use that term, and that was back in the 70's.

Again, I suspect people would be screaming if central government started dictating what could and couldn't be shown by private television companies, or even what monuments/cultural works councils could and couldn't errect.

 

[Raja Clavata]

Just now, udderlyoffroad said:

You mentioned they could announce a review of what statues are where.  I'm not even sure this is within remit of the national government - that kind of thing rests with councils, but am no expert on local Government.

As for UKTV removing the 'German' episode, because the Major uses the 'n' word...the whole point of that particular joke was about old attitudes and it no longer being acceptable to use that term, and that was back in the 70's.

Again, I suspect people would be screaming if central government started dictating what could and couldn't be shown by private television companies, or even what monuments/cultural works councils could and couldn't errect.

 

If the government had a will to do something then I'm sure they could / would. I just wanted them to do something to demonstrate leadership. Personally, I am more insulted by the taking down of TV programmes than I am statues, except for TV programmes hosted by Ant and Dec....

I see the TV company actions as knee-jerk, nothing else and with no backing from anyone in authority, the easy / safest thing to do is remove, sad.

[Rewulf]

6 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

I see the TV company actions as knee-jerk virtue signal , nothing else and with no backing ( illegal ) interference from anyone in authority, the easy / safest thing to do is remove jump on the bandwagon.

You start telling the media what it can and cant do, and youre well on your way to that far right nightmare you fear so much.
You seem to lose sight that far left interference is much the same, if not worse.

Removal of history, and control of the media is the first step towards totalitarianism.

[Raja Clavata]

Just now, Rewulf said:

You start telling the media what it can and cant do, and youre well on your way to that far right nightmare you fear so much.
You seem to lose sight that far left interference is much the same, if not worse.

Removal of history, and control of the media is the first step towards totalitarianism.

As I keep saying, I just wanted to see some leadership. Leadership is not always popular (80:20 rule etc.), if they over step the mark there are plenty who'll try and have their day in court with them.

There you go again, trying to project this extreme end game, what's so wrong with a bit of balance and moderation?

For the last time on this subject, I just wanted the government to demonstrate some leadership...

[Rewulf]

Just now, Raja Clavata said:

There you go again, trying to project this extreme end game, what's so wrong with a bit of balance and moderation?

Because balance and moderation are not intrinsic to the mob.
Otherwise they wouldnt be the mob.
Think about it.

2 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

For the last time on this subject, I just wanted the government to demonstrate some leadership...

The situation developed/changed too quickly, and the government response had to be careful and measured, otherwise it would have been like pouring petrol onto the fire...

Ill say this, I think the government behaved and acted extremely efficiently at dealing with this, the wrong move (as in sending riot police/army in) would have confirmed the legality of the protests.

What would you have done differently ?
And dont say negotiate with them, as they would have made demands you couldnt possibly agree to, like reparations for slavery , and tearing down every vestige of slavery or colonialism..for starters... and then they know exactly how to get what they want...in effect ,  shove democracy where the sun dont shine , and just smash the place up until you get the kind of government you want.
Then the army takes back control , and you have totalitarianism.

[Raja Clavata]

Just now, Rewulf said:

Ill say this, I think the government behaved and acted extremely efficiently at dealing with this, the wrong move (as in sending riot police/army in) would have confirmed the legality of the protests.

I must have missed what it is they did?

What would you have done differently ?
And dont say negotiate with them, as they would have made demands you couldnt possibly agree to, like reparations for slavery , and tearing down every vestige of slavery or colonialism..for starters... and then they know exactly how to get what they want...in effect ,  shove democracy where the sun dont shine , and just smash the place up until you get the kind of government you want.

I know, I'm naive and you've got this all worked out so well that you didn't even need to engage with them to find out what is was they wanted and or where prepared to negotiate on. Better still you even know in advance how it would have played out.

I tell you what, Dominic needs you, you're exactly what he's looking for...
Then the army takes back control , and you have totalitarianism.

 

[Vince Green]

Lewis Hamilton is happy to drive for Mercedes who used slave labour through out the war to make vehicles for the Nazis. Strange double standard that.

[JohnfromUK]

3 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

Strange double standard that.

They pay him (very well).

[Rewulf]

18 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

I must have missed what it is they did

It's what they didn't do, as I wrote above. 

The took a very soft approach, which surely helped defuse the tension. 

20 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

I know, I'm naive and you've got this all worked out so well that you didn't even need to engage with them to find out what is was they wanted and or where prepared to negotiate on. Better still you even know in advance how it would have played out

That's because they probably didn't know what they wanted! 

They just wanted to express outrage. You ever tried to reason with an angry mob? 

The talks will come later, when the anger has subsided. 

22 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

I tell you what, Dominic needs you, you're exactly what he's looking for

Thanks, but your obsession with my dark master aside, I am no where near clever enough to become one of his padawans 🤣

[Raja Clavata]

Just now, Rewulf said:

Thanks, but your obsession with my dark master aside, I am no where near clever enough to become one of his padawans 🤣

You only have to be smarter than the cabinet to be considered a genius and apparently 50% of his ideas are genius and the rest, err, less so...

Anyway, I could do with the insight since I'm now co-authoring a proposal for government intervention on smart mobility which may or may not end up on his desk...

BTW - as far as I can tell nobody yet knows where ARPA is going to be "positioned", the path from govt to us is already a bit convoluted; UKRI -> Innovate UK -> Zenzic -> "us and others", I would not expect that kind of thing meets with DC approval (probably rightly so too).

[The Heron]

Lewis Hamilton also has a lot to say about climate change this is someone who flys all around the world and then jumps in a car that does **** all to the gallon. 

[WalkedUp]

Modern society gives a voice to / demands comment from idiots to lecture about complex subjects well outside of their expertise. Hamilton’s split between ability to drive a car and ability to think logically seems heavily skewed in favour of his day job. 

Richard Dawkins was asked to comment upon BREXIT, his comment was fantastic. To paraphrase from memory with limited accuracy and no doubt merging various comments together  “I am a theoretical evolutionary biological scientist. I lack the knowledge of macro economic, geopolitical, logistical and international law aspects to give any form of meaningful comment. We live in a parliamentary democracy were we vote people in to make these decisions on our behalf based upon the expert opinion and evidence of the leading specialists in their respective fields. People are behaving as if our democracy is a plebiscite society, we’re having an opinion on something automatically gives you the equal authority or value as an informed expert. Without experts we would be living in caves. Human society and modern evolution is based upon specialisation of individuals into expertise.”

[ditchman]

i see lewis hamilton is creating discord in the paddock now...............not only spouting off about BLM and painting the Silver arrow black ....he is now castigating the other drivers for not "taking a knee" at the beginning of a session ...and wants all the drivers to do so before the start of the race........some of them have said no ......and he is now trying to educate them and show show them the folly of their ways .........

what a bumpcious little opinionated **** he is...........he is getting far to big for his boots ..and all he is achieving is more devision..............wouldnt be surprised if someone fishtails him during the race............