Gordon R Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 Quote If there is no BASC trust me, there will be no shooting I trust that this is for comedic value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 17 minutes ago, Terry2016 said: I am surprised by how many people want an organisation that fights for shooting but at the drop of a hat one that doesn't is good enough. if all you want is insurance you should have left long ago... just done pretend you care about the future of shooting. If there is no BASC trust me, there will be no shooting let that resonate for a while... Oops now you,ve done it............ this could easily go another 7 pages of vitriol and hate. I just spent an hour reading through the Basc website must say i am very impressed with what they do , think i might join up ,i always refuse the legal expenses add ons with insurance anyway . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bottletopbill Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 BASC called me today about my concern's about withdrawing the insurance at the end of the month. Angela explained that due to the massive cost underwriters who do not want to take this on unless we pay a vast sum for our cover and BASC had no other choice. When I asked why was we given so short notice this is due to circumstance beyond there control and the extra cost during our conversation i asked Angela about members having problem;s in obtaining there licence. Angela said BASC firearms team will still be there to help us members with there applications.I did ask for this information could be shown on P/W for members to view. Please do not shoot me i am only a concerned member trying to help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 13 minutes ago, bottletopbill said: BASC called me today about my concern's about withdrawing the insurance at the end of the month. Angela explained that due to the massive cost underwriters who do not want to take this on unless we pay a vast sum for our cover and BASC had no other choice. When I asked why was we given so short notice this is due to circumstance beyond there control and the extra cost during our conversation i asked Angela about members having problem;s in obtaining there licence. Angela said BASC firearms team will still be there to help us members with there applications.I did ask for this information could be shown on P/W for members to view. Please do not shoot me i am only a concerned member trying to help All of this is explained on there website for those that can read or can be bothered to look ,i have just done it all pretty easy to understand, good on you for contacting them direct then posting back thankyou. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 32 minutes ago, holloway said: I am staggered by how many on this thread seem to be members of an association that they absolutely dispise ! why on earth DID anyone join in the first place ? My main reason for joining BASC was for the legal representation in the event of losing my ticket for some unfair reason... such as having to seek my doctors approval to carry a firearm on private property: or being restricted by a wrong decision of an FEO - which would have been my next port of call if an experienced sporting shooter FEO had not corrected some bad land clearance decisions by a trainee FEO who told me he disapproves of civilian shooters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, holloway said: I am staggered by how many on this thread seem to be members of an association that they absolutely dispise ! why on earth DID anyone join in the first place ? don’t laugh but most believed they were joining a organisation that could fight for shooting not some toothless old dog whose only teeth is a stern letter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, clangerman said: don’t laugh but most believed they were joining a organisation that could fight for shooting not some toothless old dog whose only teeth is a stern letter very good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, holloway said: I am staggered by how many on this thread seem to be members of an association that they absolutely dispise ! why on earth DID anyone join in the first place ? I was young and naive, he was older, more experienced than I , I was putty in Mr BASCs hands, inevitably , when he had his fill of me , he cast me aside....Im stronger now ...but Ill never forget his big fat legal team, and his impressive training modules..... 1 hour ago, Terry2016 said: I am surprised by how many people want an organisation that fights for shooting but at the drop of a hat one that doesn't is good enough. if all you want is insurance you should have left long ago... just done pretend you care about the future of shooting. If there is no BASC trust me, there will be no shooting let that resonate for a while... Well Ill say one thing to that. If the future of shooting depends on BASC , Id sell your guns now while theyre still worth something. Absolute twaddle, the future of shooting depends on people who shoot, the more who do , the more who get into it , the stronger the position becomes. BASC are good at projecting a big corporate boys club, that makes big expensive noises, then bends over and gives up. And you know why ? Because it impacts their profits. If we lose private gun ownership , it will be because WE let it happen , not BASC , they will do fine, because they will be one of the few 'trusted' organisations who will be able to continue offering shooting experiences, at hefty prices. Its all about the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted July 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) Quote If there is no BASC trust me, there will be no shooting That's OK by me. I only joined for the money off the dealer price of a new 4x4 that I can't afford. But at least now it's a slightly cheaper cost that I (still) can't afford. For as another said and I've cut and pasted below if the future of shooting depends on BASC you'd best sell your guns now. Quote If the future of shooting depends on BASC , Id sell your guns now while theyre still worth something.Absolute twaddle, the future of shooting depends on people who shoot, the more who do , the more who get into it , the stronger the position becomes.BASC are good at projecting a big corporate boys club, that makes big expensive noises, then bends over and gives up. If we lose private gun ownership , it will be because WE let it happen , not BASC , they will do fine, because they will be one of the few 'trusted' organisations who will be able to continue offering shooting experiences, at hefty prices. This. +1. But you can pretty well bet that the few shooting experiences they'll still continue to offer will be that day on the pheasants at Catton Hall for MPs. Edited July 10, 2020 by enfieldspares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bottletopbill Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 Sorry but forgot to mention that I did raise that my personal thought was that BASC was for the upper class and those with a lot of money and not the average workingman who loves to shoot to put food on the table for others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted July 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) BASC came into being in 1981. Since 1981 shooting has seen: Centrefire self-loading and pump action rifles raised to s5. With compensation payable to owners of but 50% of the market value and no compensation for dedicated accessories. Repeating shotguns with a magazine capacity over two rounds raised to s1. With the owner having to pay from their own pocket the cost of having these restricted and Proof House certified to two shots. Detachable magazine shotguns....the Marlin Goose Gun and notwithstanding that magazine holds only two shots....raised to s1. Or the owner having to pay from their own pocket the cost of having that magazine welded in place and Proof House certified to keep it on a s2 SGC. All centrefire and rimfire pistols and revolvers raised to s5. With no compensation to the owners of ranges where these were used if, as a direct result, those ranges went out of business. The requirement for two referees on an FAC or SGC. Air weapons onto an FAC in Scotland with (unless I am wrong) casual back garden plinking not acceptable as a "good reason" to posses. Yet the "B" in BASC surely stands for "British" and last time I looked at a map Scotland was part of Britain. A ban of air weapons being sent direct from an RFD to a private buyer. All such must now be face-to-face. Even regardless of if the purchaser of that airgun was by virtue of holding an FAC or SGC of "fit and good character" residing at a verifiable address. Brocock cartridge system air weapons (even the Brockcock Lee Enfield No4) raised to s5. With the owner then if it was surrendered , or at a future time when they gave up their non-transferable ownership, of his or hers heirs on their death receiving no compensation for the weapon. If that's the record of BASC as being the "voice of shooting" in the past then "if the future" of what's left also depends on BASC then Heaven help us! Edited July 11, 2020 by enfieldspares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry2016 Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, holloway said: Oops now you,ve done it............ this could easily go another 7 pages of vitriol and hate. I just spent an hour reading through the Basc website must say i am very impressed with what they do , think i might join up ,i always refuse the legal expenses add ons with insurance anyway . This ... 2 hours ago, Rewulf said: I was young and naive, he was older, more experienced than I , I was putty in Mr BASCs hands, inevitably , when he had his fill of me , he cast me aside....Im stronger now ...but Ill never forget his big fat legal team, and his impressive training modules..... Well Ill say one thing to that. If the future of shooting depends on BASC , Id sell your guns now while theyre still worth something. Absolute twaddle, the future of shooting depends on people who shoot, the more who do , the more who get into it , the stronger the position becomes. BASC are good at projecting a big corporate boys club, that makes big expensive noises, then bends over and gives up. And you know why ? Because it impacts their profits. If we lose private gun ownership , it will be because WE let it happen , not BASC , they will do fine, because they will be one of the few 'trusted' organisations who will be able to continue offering shooting experiences, at hefty prices. Its all about the money. You misunderstand my point - BASC are the ones fighting the challenges because they have the funds and the staff resource without that DEFRA will role over at the claims of WJ as shooting is a minority sport.. And just like that no shooting.. Edited July 10, 2020 by Terry2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 let’s not forget there is more than one villain here if any of the shooting organisations claims of putting members and shooting first was true they would merge into one organisation to give us half a chance of surviving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 2 hours ago, enfieldspares said: That's OK by me. I only joined for the money off the dealer price of a new 4x4 that I can't afford. But at least now it's a slightly cheaper cost that I (still) can't afford. For as another said and I've cut and pasted below if the future of shooting depends on BASC you'd best sell your guns now. This. +1. But you can pretty well bet that the few shooting experiences they'll still continue to offer will be that day on the pheasants at Catton Hall for MPs. Four is it five BASC deerstalking schemes? Dozens of wildfowling clubs offering shooting through the BASC day ticket scheme . Zero pheasant shoots available directly through BASC schemes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry2016 Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, clangerman said: let’s not forget there is more than one villain here if any of the shooting organisations claims of putting members and shooting first was true they would merge into one organisation to give us half a chance of surviving you are better off with 10 seats at a table than one when influencing decisions... Edited July 10, 2020 by Terry2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry2016 Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Gordon R said: I trust that this is for comedic value. think about it a little longer.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, Terry2016 said: you are better off with 10 seats at a table than one when influencing decisions... what influence not one shooting organisation has teeth bigger than hot air and stern letters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry2016 Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, clangerman said: what influence not one shooting organisation has teeth bigger than hot air and stern letters laughable, without any of them you will have no shooting.. open your eyes man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Terry2016 said: laughable, without any of them you will have no shooting.. open your eyes man nothing wrong with my eye sight i won’t be around when all your allowed to use and own is a catapult it’s not my funeral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry2016 Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 You will, you fail to see all the good these organisations do. you focus on the bad and that will divide the shooting community and make us all a lot worse off for it. Shooting is under attack it is no longer the norm therefore representation is crucial not only at challenging campaigns but at educating the wider audience. The shooting orgs do that very well... that is what keeps us afloat.. this is not the time to stop bailing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 have you read the comments on here? shooters are not stupid they know hot air when they hear it if ANY of the organisations have done such a good job why are we fighting to survive and don’t blame the anti nuts our own side is sinking us without their help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Rewulf said: I was young and naive, he was older, more experienced than I , I was putty in Mr BASCs hands, inevitably , when he had his fill of me , he cast me aside....Im stronger now ...but Ill never forget his big fat legal team, and his impressive training modules..... Well Ill say one thing to that. If the future of shooting depends on BASC , Id sell your guns now while theyre still worth something. Absolute twaddle, the future of shooting depends on people who shoot, the more who do , the more who get into it , the stronger the position becomes. BASC are good at projecting a big corporate boys club, that makes big expensive noises, then bends over and gives up. And you know why ? Because it impacts their profits. If we lose private gun ownership , it will be because WE let it happen , not BASC , they will do fine, because they will be one of the few 'trusted' organisations who will be able to continue offering shooting experiences, at hefty prices. Its all about the money. What was that a bowel movement, get a grip man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 Quote think about it a little longer.. I have - your post is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 Just now, clangerman said: have you read the comments on here? shooters are not stupid they know hot air when they hear it if ANY of the organisations have done such a good job why are we fighting to survive and don’t blame the anti nuts our own side is sinking us without their help An idea it might help you here. Go away find a quiet place or go somewhere tranquil with your dog/ dogs or some such. sit down quietly and be logical about the state shooting is in in the UK today. Be logical about BASC , and what its influence is , and Be logical about BASC and what possible gain it could ever make from destroying the very sport its there to support and conserve etc. There is no ryme nor reason to what your implying here. NONE!. Be logical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry2016 Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, clangerman said: have you read the comments on here? shooters are not stupid they know hot air when they hear it if ANY of the organisations have done such a good job why are we fighting to survive and don’t blame the anti nuts our own side is sinking us without their help I have read them, people are not happy that the LEI cover has been removed ( fair enough ) although it doesn't bother me if i want legal cover I will go and get it.. funny if all the orgs are so bad how come they are still going ? its because to the majority of shooters care about promotion of shooting not just insurance.... its clear that you are anti shooting orgs - its clear that i am pro them. we will never agree. however your way shooting will end a lot quicker 8 minutes ago, Gordon R said: I have - your post is laughable. I can live with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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