wildfowler.250 Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 So I’ve been using steel for years and have been a big fan of Gamebore mammoth. Now, nothing’s really changed as far as gun and setup but I’m very aware recently with geese,(ducks not so much) that a lot of birds I’m often shooting twice. I used to use 42g 1’s and for the last year I’m onto BBs due to local availability but will go back to 1’s when I can. Ranges aren’t excessive,(most 40-50 yards). Fairly normal for the shore and about half the height of some of the birds I’ve seen shot at recently but that’s a separate issue. I’m just missing the bang and every other bird fold up. Now pattern plates are great and I’m going back to this soon but have people noticed a marked difference going with aftermarket chokes? Currently shooting everything through a half choke. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storm in a teacup Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 I shoot 42g gamebore bb with a kicks chokes. They give a great pattern through my sxp I ether miss totally or they are dead before they hit the ground. I think I do better than when I had the factory half choke in. But then again it could be all in my head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas seal Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 Hi my son uses gamebore mammoth but he stopped using bb shot he prefers three shot. He uses after market chokes yes they are better. I use steel extended chokes in my 28gauge shotguns and they are a lot better. Shot size depends On the choke. Best to pattern them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 Yes mammoth and kicks chokes in 12 bore and with home loads in 10 bore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 People say kicks choke but not which one / constriction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storm in a teacup Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 I shoot waterfowl mod and full but I have the 4 they do as I picked them up when I was in the states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, wildfowler.250 said: So I’ve been using steel for years and have been a big fan of Gamebore mammoth. Now, nothing’s really changed as far as gun and setup but I’m very aware recently with geese,(ducks not so much) that a lot of birds I’m often shooting twice. I used to use 42g 1’s and for the last year I’m onto BBs due to local availability but will go back to 1’s when I can. Ranges aren’t excessive,(most 40-50 yards). Fairly normal for the shore and about half the height of some of the birds I’ve seen shot at recently but that’s a separate issue. I’m just missing the bang and every other bird fold up. Now pattern plates are great and I’m going back to this soon but have people noticed a marked difference going with aftermarket chokes? Currently shooting everything through a half choke. Thanks! BB are most likely issue, they have 2 issues, lack of pattern and bridging, both of which contributes to poor patterns. Go back to the 42g No1, much better pattern and will kill all geese within 50 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted October 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 Cheers guys! Seems to be more than a few following the aftermarket choke theme on here then! So why kicks? And which model? The XFULL? Any reason The other options are less popular like terror or the pattern master? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted October 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 10 hours ago, Stonepark said: BB are most likely issue, they have 2 issues, lack of pattern and bridging, both of which contributes to poor patterns. Go back to the 42g No1, much better pattern and will kill all geese within 50 yards. It could well be BBs are partly to blame and I do value pellet count a lot which is why I’ve always been a fan of the 1’s. I’m sure the pattern can sort itself with a change of cartridge or choke. It’s the lack of “dead in the air” birds that bothers me. A lot of folk are singing the praises of TSS shot,(£££) at the moment which is interesting. I haven’t tried the new eley eco wads yet either but not a fan of all the plastic debris either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas seal Posted October 14, 2020 Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 Hi wild Fowler 250 l asked my son about the chokes. He used Mandel Skeet choke with 3.5 inch Gamebore steel 3 shot in a benelli . He will use 3 inch 49 grams of power shot 13(home loads) through the same choke . The Skeet choke patterned best for the power shot . I don’t load many 12gauge steel now as the mammoth 3 shot works for him.This is for foreshore pinks. He will take steel and power shot with him. In the 10gauge he uses 56 grams of power shot 13 and 56 grams and 63 grams of ITM . With power shot we used smaller size pellets and a lighter load. TSS may be better in a20 or 28gauge. A heavy load of TSS would be devastating . With TSS you could use half the payload and that would mean half of the cost. He also uses the Eley bio wad cartridges and they are as good as any other steel cartridges. I will be loading TSS but only in small gauge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Anderson Posted October 14, 2020 Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 I prefer to use mammoth steel but always check the pattern first when using a new brand. Bought some fiocchi last year and wasn't too impressed either the wigeon were armour plated or cartridges lack the impact of gamebore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 (edited) I've two kicks highflyers, a Mod in my sx3, recommend for BB shot and patterned well to 50 yards. The full I had in a Beretta Optima Plus barrel, better with smaller shot, disappointed with results on geese with BB. Best all round chokes I found were the Carlson cremator medium and long range not cheap with delivery customs vat etc. I now use Briley extended modified and xtra full which is 40 thou so just standard full in my eyes. Work well don't break the bank and cat take some punishment. A very tight Terror or Jeb's get good reviews, expensive and terror don't make the tight ones anymore. Edited October 19, 2020 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutiny Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, figgy said: A very tight Terror or Jen's get good reviews, expensive and terror don't make the tight ones anymore. Terror are making the tight ones again, mine came in the post last week Edited October 19, 2020 by Mutiny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 (edited) Good to know, what constriction is it? I've looked and they no longer sell the tight .655" chokes, .675" being the tightest and not for use with large steel shot, shame as lots like them. Edited October 19, 2020 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutiny Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 Mine is the .705” - I haven’t had a chance to get out and try it out yet though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nic Posted October 21, 2020 Report Share Posted October 21, 2020 tend to use the 3's for pinks and 1's if a lot of canada about.... more likely to be the shot rather than the choke as that is what you have changed.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 On 13/10/2020 at 23:16, Stonepark said: BB are most likely issue, they have 2 issues, lack of pattern and bridging, both of which contributes to poor patterns. Go back to the 42g No1, much better pattern and will kill all geese within 50 yards. I have killed a hell of a lot of foreshore geese with steel BBs. I use extra full chokes. I have absolutely no problem with geese at over 50 yards with BBs. Mammoths are probably B shot, anyway. On 19/10/2020 at 21:11, Mutiny said: Mine is the .705” - I haven’t had a chance to get out and try it out yet though .705 must be for the 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutiny Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 22 hours ago, motty said: .705 must be for the 10. It certainly is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 On 13/10/2020 at 22:45, Lloyd90 said: People say kicks choke but not which one / constriction. I use half and full in both bores but know others using extra full in the ten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted November 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2020 (edited) On 23/10/2020 at 20:20, motty said: I have killed a hell of a lot of foreshore geese with steel BBs. I use extra full chokes. I have absolutely no problem with geese at over 50 yards with BBs. Mammoths are probably B shot, anyway. .705 must be for the 10. Cheers guys. Interesting to read what everyone is using. I think I’m going to go back to more pellets and tightening the chokes. Never thought of using the 42g 3’s but suspect they might be a little small for my liking,(shoot geese with 3’s but prefer them for ducks). Motty our of interest, what choke are you using at the moment that’s extra full? Edited November 1, 2020 by wildfowler.250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 On 01/11/2020 at 23:01, wildfowler.250 said: Cheers guys. Interesting to read what everyone is using. I think I’m going to go back to more pellets and tightening the chokes. Never thought of using the 42g 3’s but suspect they might be a little small for my liking,(shoot geese with 3’s but prefer them for ducks). Motty our of interest, what choke are you using at the moment that’s extra full? I was using a Jebs .675 for a bit, but have gone for a full in the A350 for the time being. I still use a .705 Terror in the 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted November 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 On 06/11/2020 at 14:42, motty said: I was using a Jebs .675 for a bit, but have gone for a full in the A350 for the time being. I still use a .705 Terror in the 10. So is that just a standard full choke that came with the gun? So many options the more you look into these aftermarket chokes 😆 jebs is a new one to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 Wildflower.250 Buy a Briley xtra full if you want true full 40thou or full is what we call 7/8 or 35thou. It's what Mitty recommended to me couple of years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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