wymberley Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 I have a dive bottle and 2 local-ish refill places - probably about a 2 hour round trip for either, but am toying with the idea of a pump. The rifle is a BSA R-10 Thumbhole so the bottle is the 280cc version. I am not fit; wrong arthritis treatment did not help my lungs any and my aortic valve needs looking at. I can, however, decoy pigeons provided I don't have to carry the kit anywhere so not totally decrepit. With the arthritis the limiting factor is usually the pain, but I figure that having the pump at the right height I should be OK in that respect. I'm looking at the FX 4 Stage unit. I don't really want a 15 minute workout, so any gut feelings as to whether or not this would be on are welcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 Sounds as if you're better with the bottle rather than a pump, I would just factor in getting your bottle filled when going near the dive shop? But @bruno22rf did mention that a pump was available from Amazon at £15, at that price you could take a chance and see how you get on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 12 minutes ago, Mice! said: Sounds as if you're better with the bottle rather than a pump, I would just factor in getting your bottle filled when going near the dive shop? But @bruno22rf did mention that a pump was available from Amazon at £15, at that price you could take a chance and see how you get on? Yep, just wondering if it would be viable as I have no reason to go any where near the two locations other than to have the bottle charged. Saw the £15 version but figured a well made unit - especially with the 4th stage mechanical advantage option - would be easier for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 No mate I'd hate to say it but pumping is a 15min workout at least if you don't want to ruin the seals. Maybe have a look at these electric pump, or buy a 7-12ltr dive bottle, youll get quite a few refills out of that 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 If your Aortic valve need a service maybe don't go for the pump? Just buy another bottle and live to shout another day? If you go for the pump, just will the BSA to a mate first? 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 Thanks, Guys. 3-0 to another bottle. Old Man, spoken for - my granddaughter gets it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 You might be ok keeping the bottle topped up with a pump? I've not used one, I wouldn't want to pump it from low though on a bottle gun if I wasn't in the greatest of health. Someone posted how many pumps it took to fill a rapid and it was a lot. Hopefully restrictions ease then plan for a meal out somewhere while getting your bottle filled, unless you shoot a lot it probably won't be that often you will need a 4 or 5ltr bottle filling and should still be manageable enough to get it in and out of the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 I pump up my 75 cc and 105 cc tubes easy enough with my fx turbo pump . But when it comes to the 300 cc wildcat its a bit of a mission .. the 280 cc of the r10th Will BE hard work if going from 100 bar to 230 say . Maybe consider a bsa ultra .and a pump .they don't take too much effort as the air capacity is small . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 2 hours ago, wymberley said: Thanks, Guys. 3-0 to another bottle. Old Man, spoken for - my granddaughter gets it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaman Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 Looking at the title , I thought you wanted to fill in the thumb hole 😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 I bought this one for £17 but the one way valve doesn’t work properly. They gave me a refund and told me to keep it, so I’m going to strip it down and see what, if anything, I can do with it. It looks exactly the same pump as the £40-50 pumps though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 17 hours ago, wymberley said: Thanks, Guys. 3-0 to another bottle. Old Man, spoken for - my granddaughter gets it. Just a thought, have you enquired at your local fire station? They might be willing to fill your dive bottle, maybe for a small donation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 46 minutes ago, Rimfireboy said: Just a thought, have you enquired at your local fire station? They might be willing to fill your dive bottle, maybe for a small donation. Funny you should say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Rimfireboy said: I bought this one for £17 but the one way valve doesn’t work properly. They gave me a refund and told me to keep it, so I’m going to strip it down and see what, if anything, I can do with it. It looks exactly the same pump as the £40-50 pumps though? Hello, it's most likely a damaged seal ,was there a set in box ? 2 hours ago, wymberley said: Funny you should say that. Hello, if that's the case I am sure they would appreciate some tea and biscuits 👍 , as happen I have one near me so I might ask to 🤔👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 On 16/02/2021 at 13:31, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, it's most likely a damaged seal ,was there a set in box ? Hello, if that's the case I am sure they would appreciate some tea and biscuits 👍 , as happen I have one near me so I might ask to 🤔👍 Yerr, came with a bag of spare seals etc👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 47 minutes ago, Rimfireboy said: Yerr, came with a bag of spare seals etc👍 Ok keep us posted 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) On 16/02/2021 at 09:57, Rimfireboy said: I bought this one for £17 but the one way valve doesn’t work properly. They gave me a refund and told me to keep it, so I’m going to strip it down and see what, if anything, I can do with it. It looks exactly the same pump as the £40-50 pumps though? I’ve got one that looks exactly the same except I paid £30’ish. And I can’t get mine to work either. The instructions are in Chinese English so quite funny but hard to work out what I’ve done wrong. Edited February 17, 2021 by AVB Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Mine I dethreaded when I put the hose in, well I think it was me, but a bit of plumbers tape sorted that. Ive since gone on to change the hose as I didn't like that one and put a thinner one on there and it's still going strong after years. Never even oiled it, and only remembered about it as I found the instructions and the silicone oil and washers it came with the other day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesleee123 Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 These pumps are on Amazon for £14.09 inc postage, maybe worth it as a back up, especially in lockdown! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 Can somebody give me some advice as a PCP newbie. I bought a second hand FX Cyclone. It arrived relatively empty with the gauge showing 50 bar. I have bought a pump which seems to be pumping out air but I don't seem to making any progress on filling the gun. I pump and pump (probably 200+ pumps so far) but the gauge doesn't move and I don't seem to feel any pressure building up in the pump. The filling probe doesn't seem a very tight fit. I expect it to be a tight fit in order to create an airtight seal but it slides in and out quite easily (held between finger and thumb). Is pump or gun at fault or do I just persevere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 OK. I presume u have closed the valve off on the pump ? Usually a brass tumble wheel down near the hose Tighten it up .this is released when u reach pressure in the gun and u want to bleed the line before disconnecting . Failing that either the seals in the fill probe are damaged or the wrong size . Or itcould be the pump has bust oring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 I’m going to try a smaller bore whip off my dive bottle before going any further. There’s not much to these pumps really, mainly tubes and o rings and a couple of one way ball valves. What more can go wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, AVB said: Can somebody give me some advice as a PCP newbie. I bought a second hand FX Cyclone. It arrived relatively empty with the gauge showing 50 bar. I have bought a pump which seems to be pumping out air but I don't seem to making any progress on filling the gun. I pump and pump (probably 200+ pumps so far) but the gauge doesn't move and I don't seem to feel any pressure building up in the pump. The filling probe doesn't seem a very tight fit. I expect it to be a tight fit in order to create an airtight seal but it slides in and out quite easily (held between finger and thumb). Is pump or gun at fault or do I just persevere? Ive a cyclone, and can say it's quite a effort to fill from near empty as it's quite a large cylinder. You should of seen a significant amount in by now. The probe on mine is just push in tight, not so tight it scrubs the orings on the probe, but not knocking about like a **** in a bucket. Is there a leaking sound, or air escaping? Also as stu said make sure the brass knob on the back of the pump is shut tight, and failing all that, make up some seriously soapy water with washing up liquid, take the gun out the stock and spray/pore the liquid over the join from the cylinder to block, and over the fill port. If its leaking it will show little bubbles from where it is. Don't try and fill the gun whilst doing this, you might chance pushing moisture into the gun. Youve got a leak somewhere, just got to find out where. Ps ******* good gun, what did you go for 177/22 and is it a btas? Also if its the btas version, the gauge on the gun IS NOT the pressure in the gun. Its what the regulator is set too. You have to rely on the pump gauge for the pressure Edited February 18, 2021 by strimmer_13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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