cluais Posted March 9, 2021 Report Share Posted March 9, 2021 I've bought a sxs with Cylinder and 1/2 choke...What do you think is a good cartridge size for shooting pigeons over decoys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted March 9, 2021 Report Share Posted March 9, 2021 28g 7’s through those chokes should chop them down. Gamebore Blue Diamond 28g 7 1/2 (U.K. size 7) are a decent price. Will also chop down game at reasonable range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted March 9, 2021 Report Share Posted March 9, 2021 As above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted March 9, 2021 Report Share Posted March 9, 2021 Hello, a 5 shot pigeon cartridge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted March 9, 2021 Report Share Posted March 9, 2021 Use small shot to keep the pattern dense and cyl choke is deadly. 28 gram 7’s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted March 9, 2021 Report Share Posted March 9, 2021 28gm 7's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted March 9, 2021 Report Share Posted March 9, 2021 Hello, sorry to disagree but those open chokes are more for shooting on a clay skeet range, once you get past 20/30 yards the pattern will open right out with to small a shot, a few people I knew back in the 1980s had a 2 barrel set O/U one for skeet one for sporting, although I would stand correcting on the above, it would be interesting if a PW member did a video on 7.5 cartridges and different chokes, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 9, 2021 Report Share Posted March 9, 2021 8 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: 28g 7’s through those chokes should chop them down. Gamebore Blue Diamond 28g 7 1/2 (U.K. size 7) are a decent price. Will also chop down game at reasonable range. Not too sure about the terminology, but the cartridge choice is good. Or you could also try their Super Game high Bird which for me is more SbS-ish. Some choke in one barrel is advantageous. A nominal 1/2 may throw 1/4 in practice - no problem, but the same sort of thing also applies to TC which can be. Most barrels which throw TC will have a couple of thou'. Those which are a true TC could throw 35% or less so it may be worth a quick check on that one barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted March 9, 2021 Report Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 hour ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, sorry to disagree but those open chokes are more for shooting on a clay skeet range, once you get past 20/30 yards the pattern will open right out with to small a shot, a few people I knew back in the 1980s had a 2 barrel set O/U one for skeet one for sporting, although I would stand correcting on the above, it would be interesting if a PW member did a video on 7.5 cartridges and different chokes, yup do disagree with your view...........i have always used 26" barrells with Imperial cylinder and 1/4..........and have had no issues shooting at range with the 1/4 choke and 7's 40-45 yds is its limit tho.........beyond that for regular kills a tighter choke may be needed , i will grant you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted March 9, 2021 Report Share Posted March 9, 2021 56 minutes ago, wymberley said: Not too sure about the terminology, but the cartridge choice is good. Or you could also try their Super Game high Bird which for me is more SbS-ish. Some choke in one barrel is advantageous. A nominal 1/2 may throw 1/4 in practice - no problem, but the same sort of thing also applies to TC which can be. Most barrels which throw TC will have a couple of thou'. Those which are a true TC could throw 35% or less so it may be worth a quick check on that one barrel. That's the cart I would use use given the chokes. Gamebore Super Game High Bird. 28g No7 felt wad. Will drop pigeons over deeks all day long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted March 9, 2021 Report Share Posted March 9, 2021 I’m with Ditchy on this one. Experience with true cyl and imp cyl chokes over the last half century has taught me that they are by far the biggest bag fillers for all sorts of normal shooting, and are especially suitable for decoyed pigeon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted March 9, 2021 Report Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 hour ago, ditchman said: yup do disagree with your view...........i have always used 26" barrells with Imperial cylinder and 1/4..........and have had no issues shooting at range with the 1/4 choke and 7's 40-45 yds is its limit tho.........beyond that for regular kills a tighter choke may be needed , i will grant you Hello, ok , well next time I will try those chokes in my O/U and some 7.5s , or the 7.5s that are English 7s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted March 9, 2021 Report Share Posted March 9, 2021 15 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, ok , well next time I will try those chokes in my O/U and some 7.5s , or the 7.5s that are English 7s bear in mind it will make a bit of difference wether you use plasi-wad or fibre........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cluais Posted March 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, ditchman said: bear in mind it will make a bit of difference wether you use plasi-wad or fibre........... Will plastic give tighter pattern Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted March 9, 2021 Report Share Posted March 9, 2021 (edited) 46 minutes ago, ditchman said: bear in mind it will make a bit of difference wether you use plasi-wad or fibre........... Hello, ah will look at that Simon , I have both but I think the 7.5s English 7s are fibre, saying this there has been very little pigeon activity on rape, hoping that the new drillings might be better, must be many months since I had the decoys out, and with this lockdown you cannot go far from your area, have a chance on drillings but 10/12 miles away and TVP said to far 🤔🙄 Edited March 9, 2021 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted March 9, 2021 Report Share Posted March 9, 2021 I shot cyl and 1/4 for a long time with 7's and they are excellent to 45 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cluais Posted March 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Whitebridges said: That's the cart I would use use given the chokes. Gamebore Super Game High Bird. 28g No7 felt wad. Will drop pigeons over deeks all day long. Are these only 65 cham as my aya is 70mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted March 9, 2021 Report Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 hour ago, cluais said: Will plastic give tighter pattern it is said that plasi-wad will tighten the pattern by a quarter...........i was also told by Evans (london) that the best pattern (most even) is produced with fibre wad and true cylinder...... having said all that ...shoot what you are comfortable with..........one ex professional pigeonshooter in the Anglia region used a 30".sxs... full choke in both barrells for his weapon of choice...and he didnt take any prisoners either see London Best post......................"bag filler" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 9, 2021 Report Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 hour ago, cluais said: Will plastic give tighter pattern They may or they may not, but you'll know if you do a quick pattern check. 20 minutes ago, cluais said: Are these only 65 cham as my aya is 70mm Perfectly OK that way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted March 9, 2021 Report Share Posted March 9, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, London Best said: I’m with Ditchy on this one. Experience with true cyl and imp cyl chokes over the last half century has taught me that they are by far the biggest bag fillers for all sorts of normal shooting, and are especially suitable for decoyed pigeon. This. Best shot on game (and with a side by side) on clays I ever knew shot a 12 bore 28" barrel Purdey bore CYL and IMP. He used Hull 1 ounce paper case English #7. Both my "go to" 12 bore 2 1/2" chambered game guns...my late father's Henry Clarke 30" barrel BLE and my own 28" barrel Boss are bore IMP and IMP. On pheasants I use 1 1/16 ounce English #6 but on pigeon I use 1 ounce English #7. Edited March 9, 2021 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted March 9, 2021 Report Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 hour ago, enfieldspares said: This. Best shot on game (and with a side by side) on clays I ever knew shot a 12 bore 28" barrel Purdey bore CYL and IMP. He used Hull 1 ounce paper case English #7. Both my "go to" 12 bore 2 1/2" chambered game guns...my late father's Henry Clarke 30" barrel BLE and my own 28" barrel Boss are bore IMP and IMP. On pheasants I use 1 1/16 ounce English #6 but on pigeon I use 1 ounce English #7. Out of my 8 shotguns (6 British, 2 Spanish) the tightest barrel carries .015 thou of choke. All the others are less than .010 thou. Most are between zero and .004 thou choke. In the 12 bores I mostly use 1 ounce of English No.7 for partridge/pheasants/pigeon/crows, but late season if the quarry is to be pheasants only I will take 1 ounce English No.6 if I have any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 21 hours ago, cluais said: Are these only 65 cham as my aya is 70mm Yes they're 65mm but as you'll know you can use these in a 70mm chambered gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted April 1, 2021 Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 On 09/03/2021 at 10:38, wymberley said: Not too sure about the terminology, but the cartridge choice is good. Or you could also try their Super Game high Bird which for me is more SbS-ish. Some choke in one barrel is advantageous. A nominal 1/2 may throw 1/4 in practice - no problem, but the same sort of thing also applies to TC which can be. Most barrels which throw TC will have a couple of thou'. Those which are a true TC could throw 35% or less so it may be worth a quick check on that one barrel. What is the difference please between the Blue Diamond 28g 7.5 (U.K. size 7), and the GB super game high bird 28g 7 please? The super game ones are a few quid more. I see they are a 65mm case and pitched as a SxS cartridge but I was looking at both last night and wondering if there’s much difference? 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted April 1, 2021 Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 40 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: What is the difference please between the Blue Diamond 28g 7.5 (U.K. size 7), and the GB super game high bird 28g 7 please? The super game ones are a few quid more. I see they are a 65mm case and pitched as a SxS cartridge but I was looking at both last night and wondering if there’s much difference? 🤷♂️ Just the name and price…..if I gave you a box of 28g 7s costing £180 per thousand and a box of 28g 7s costing £300 per thousand I doubt you tell much difference in there killing ability. Its all bull poo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 1, 2021 Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 16 minutes ago, old'un said: Just the name and price…..if I gave you a box of 28g 7s costing £180 per thousand and a box of 28g 7s costing £300 per thousand I doubt you tell much difference in there killing ability. Its all bull poo. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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