landofficer Posted March 18, 2021 Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 So just carts have got 2 more cartridges to add to the eco wad market, express and hull. But the cost of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted March 18, 2021 Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 Hello, oh why not put the cost ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted March 18, 2021 Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, oh why not put the cost ? The cheapest steel I can see is RC Steel 32g 5s or 6s plastic at £279 per thousand, the rest are £300+ and a couple are over £400 per thousand...https://www.justcartridges.com/shop/?swoof=1&product_tag=duck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisdom Posted March 18, 2021 Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 I may be missing something here.Probably down to manufacturing.Steel is £400 a ton less than lead so surely they should be cheaper cartridges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stimo22 Posted March 18, 2021 Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 They are selling the Jocker 32g with paper wad at £349 per thousand which is quite a lot cheaper that the Gamebore silver steel which is over 500 per thousand. Will give some a try this coming duck season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted March 18, 2021 Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 34 minutes ago, wisdom said: I may be missing something here.Probably down to manufacturing.Steel is £400 a ton less than lead so surely they should be cheaper cartridges. I also can not understand why there such a big price difference between steel and lead, just looked on Clay&Game website at the price for loose steel and lead….steel 10kg 6s £36, lead 10kg 6s £37.50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted March 18, 2021 Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 Biodegradable wads do not come cheap and the business expect a quick return on their investments. remember unless it states it, most steel shot cartridges are not using biodegradable wads, only the much more expensive offerings as far as I can tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stimo22 Posted March 18, 2021 Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 12 minutes ago, old'un said: I also can not understand why there such a big price difference between steel and lead, just looked on Clay&Game website at the price for loose steel and lead….steel 10kg 6s £36, lead 10kg 6s £37.50. The cost of steel shot is in the manufacture, it cannot be melted and poured like lead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted March 18, 2021 Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 14 minutes ago, rbrowning2 said: Biodegradable wads do not come cheap and the business expect a quick return on their investments. remember unless it states it, most steel shot cartridges are not using biodegradable wads, only the much more expensive offerings as far as I can tell. If most are using plastic wads (not biodegradable) and steel is cheaper than lead why is there such a big price difference? I do understand that volume sales should see the price of steel cartridges come down, but I doubt it. 5 minutes ago, Stimo22 said: The cost of steel shot is in the manufacture, it cannot be melted and poured like lead but loose steel is cheaper than lead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamch Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 19 hours ago, old'un said: I also can not understand why there such a big price difference between steel and lead, just looked on Clay&Game website at the price for loose steel and lead….steel 10kg 6s £36, lead 10kg 6s £37.50. presumably the new and pointless eco wads are costly to make. use lead and fibre wads and prob is solved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest cookoff013 Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 i remember decades ado those supersteel, £88 /k. and i burned alot of them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 13 minutes ago, Centrepin said: However they do not appear to contain biodegradable wads, hence the price. Suitable for clay target shooting on grounds that allow their use but do not meet the shooting organisations goal of non toxic shot and biodegradable wads for live quarry shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve s×s Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 This whole thing is a absolute farce! Lead shot, fibre wad, paper case, all naturally occurred materials, we had this years ago and it work! (modern technology my ar_ _) the Lead is in the environment not like plastic, fixing something that isn't broken or what. 🤭 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamch Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 Its a bit ironic that we have one of the largest deposits of tungsten in Cornwall but pay a fortune for tungsten shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 6 hours ago, steve s×s said: This whole thing is a absolute farce! Lead shot, fibre wad, paper case, all naturally occurred materials, we had this years ago and it work! (modern technology my ar_ _) the Lead is in the environment not like plastic, fixing something that isn't broken or what. 🤭 Have you been asleep for a few years or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 On 19/03/2021 at 12:21, Centrepin said: That’s a lot cheaper than I’m paying for my favourite cartridge in lead, but I’m still stockpiling. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 36 minutes ago, Scully said: That’s a lot cheaper than I’m paying for my favourite cartridge in lead, but I’m still stockpiling. 🙂 Dont now what load you are buying in lead but those Gamebore Super Steel at £199 per thousand are 21g 7.5s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrepin Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 38 minutes ago, Scully said: That’s a lot cheaper than I’m paying for my favourite cartridge in lead, but I’m still stockpiling. 🙂 2 minutes ago, old'un said: Dont now what load you are buying in lead but those Gamebore Super Steel at £199 per thousand are 21g 7.5s I bought a couple of slabs to try on clays only, sort of evaluate them myself. I found very little difference if any. I only ever use 21gram x 7.5s or 8s on clays, never seen a clay that couldn't be broken by one. Don't see the point in using heavier loads if lower works and I'm not a competitive shot. Its not like I'm leaving wounded clays to suffer.😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Centrepin said: I bought a couple of slabs to try on clays only, sort of evaluate them myself. I found very little difference if any. I only ever use 21gram x 7.5s or 8s on clays, never seen a clay that couldn't be broken by one. Don't see the point in using heavier loads if lower works and I'm not a competitive shot. Its not like I'm leaving wounded clays to suffer.😅 Have you tried them on pigeons? I use 28g 7.5 on pigeons (lead) I just wondered what these 21g 7.5 steel would be like on the Pigeons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrepin Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, old'un said: Have you tried them on pigeons? I use 28g 7.5 on pigeons (lead) I just wondered what these 21g 7.5 steel would be like on the Pigeons. No, not yet. I just don't get that many pigeons on my perm to chance an experiment with 21gram steel. Maybe if I had more pigeon or crow, or maybe 28/30gram I might chance it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 1 hour ago, old'un said: Dont now what load you are buying in lead but those Gamebore Super Steel at £199 per thousand are 21g 7.5s My lead load for game are over £300 per thousand. I’m not fussy what I use for clays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve s×s Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 5 hours ago, motty said: Have you been asleep for a few years or something? No, wide awake, unlike some jmho. 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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