uk law ......cut and thread for....22lr

[BSA-airgunner]

HI all what is the uk law for cutting a barrel for a moderator thread and crown....from what i can find its ok if there is no intension to sell on ....unless the rifle is sent for reproof...

[robbiep]

As you say, technically the gun needs to be re-proofed if you want to sell it in the future.

Not sure I've ever known anyone to ask (and I've certainly never asked) if that has been done

[Scully]

It’s pretty straightforward. We got ours done some years ago; none were reproofed.
As you correctly say however, your rifle, by law, would require reproofing prior to selling it, but if you ‘give’ or ‘gift’ it then no proof is required. It is only an offence to ‘sell’ an unproved or out of proof gun. 

[bruno22rf]

My take on it is "how would anybody ever know who screwcut it?" As long as it's done properly and no damage is done to the integrity of the barrel then crack on.....

[BSA-airgunner]

Thanks for the replies..

 

[1066]

15 hours ago, robbiep said:

As you say, technically the gun needs to be re-proofed if you want to sell it in the future.

Not sure I've ever known anyone to ask (and I've certainly never asked) if that has been done

Surely that's assuming a barrel needs re-proofing after a threading in the first place.

[robbiep]

5 hours ago, 1066 said:

Surely that's assuming a barrel needs re-proofing after a threading in the first place.

I believe that the law states that any modification to the barrel means it is no longer legally in-proof - as such, you would be selling a firearm out-of-proof.

But, as I also said, I've never asked if a gun was re-proofed, or been asked about it on a gun I was selling.

[39TDS]

The guy I asked to do one for me said he would not do it unless it went for reproofing and the timeframe and cost that involved would mean I wouldn't agree.

That was the end of that conversation.

[Loki]

Hiya

Jackson Rifles obtained Counsels (Barristers) opinion on the need to reproof or not moderators and barrels - seems clear (to me) that a barrel that is threaded is not 'unduly reduced in Substance or Strength' so no need to send to proof house. Others reading of the opinion may differ.

Link:http://jacksonrifles.com/zz-silencers/ukproof.htm

L

[Old farrier]

Professionals that do the threading and shortening of barrels may well have a insurance policy clause that states that they have to go for reproof 

just a thought 

[Vince Green]

Who is going to enforce the law?  Try phoning Crimestoppers  and see what answer you get 

Edited April 20, 2021 by Vince Green

[Zetter]

You do notice now though that when proofing a rifle barrel the proof houses also stamp muzzle as well as the throat area. The only reason for this as far as I can see is to enforce the reproof requirement for shortening/ rethreading.

I recently got a .270 that came in new from the States as a special order that went for proof on entering the UK and this is the first rifle I have had with a proof mark at the muzzle. 

Edited April 20, 2021 by Zetter

[Scully]

4 hours ago, Zetter said:

You do notice now though that when proofing a rifle barrel the proof houses also stamp muzzle as well as the throat area. The only reason for this as far as I can see is to enforce the reproof requirement for shortening/ rethreading.

I recently got a .270 that came in new from the States as a special order that went for proof on entering the UK and this is the first rifle I have had with a proof mark at the muzzle. 

That’s interesting; my T3 came already screw threaded, complete with protector, and my CZ was chopped and screw cut by the smith a RFD used for such work, we simply by-passed the RFD. It wasn’t reproofed. 
I’m assuming it’s an offence to remove a proof mark? There again, who’s going to know? 

[WalkedUp]

http://jacksonrifles.com/zz-silencers/files/R-v-Beatham_evidence.pdf

A surprisingly riveting read! If I ever find myself fighting an out of proof charge I want this man as my expert witness. 

[Dougy]

If you do decide to sell it just saw an inch off the end.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just kidin

[fizzbangwhallop]

20 hours ago, WalkedUp said:

http://jacksonrifles.com/zz-silencers/files/R-v-Beatham_evidence.pdf

A surprisingly riveting read! If I ever find myself fighting an out of proof charge I want this man as my expert witness. 

Joe Beatham of The Gunshop, Cat Hill fame was counterboring varmint/match Ruger 10/22 barrels and fitting moderator baffles and the Met took great exception to it.... and to him as he took a bit of ‘getting to know’ in his manner and foibles and, of course, whether he actually liked you. 
 

Cheers,

Fizz

[WalkedUp]

3 hours ago, fizzbangwhallop said:

Joe Beatham of The Gunshop, Cat Hill fame was counterboring varmint/match Ruger 10/22 barrels and fitting moderator baffles and the Met took great exception to it.... and to him as he took a bit of ‘getting to know’ in his manner and foibles and, of course, whether he actually liked you. 
 

Cheers,

Fizz

Yes, seems like a neat idea too. The defence’s expert witness report is pretty damning of the proof houses and archaic legislation.