mc canns 2

[Topgunners]

I have been following the Topic concerning the Mc Canns with interest, like most people.

 

We have just returned from a holiday in Spain (last night) and we stayed at a hotel complex not dis-similar to the one in Portugal and the ONE biggest thing that we noticed there, was parents were being so protective and fastidious in their WATCHING over their kids.

 

It was NOTICEABLE TO SAY THE LEAST..

 

AT EVERY MEAL TIME THE RESTAURANT WAS FULL OF BUGGIES,PRAMS,COTS ETC.

 

So it seems if nothing else the Mc Canns' case has made VIRTUALLY every holiday-making family a LOT MORE CAUTIOUS.!!!!!!

 

A lesson has been learnt in many cases but I am pretty sure it will happen again to some unfortunate parents.

 

But they may react in a way I feel (i.m.p.o) will be more in the way I would and my family would.

 

I do not like the Mc Canns and it stunk to me from the very beginning, and STILL DOES.

 

 

 

Dave K

[steve_b_wales]

I have been following the Topic concerning the Mc Canns with interest, like most people.

 

We have just returned from a holiday in Spain (last night) and we stayed at a hotel complex not dis-similar to the one in Portugal and the ONE biggest thing that we noticed there, was parents were being so protective and fastidious in their WATCHING over their kids.

 

It was NOTICEABLE TO SAY THE LEAST..

 

AT EVERY MEAL TIME THE RESTAURANT WAS FULL OF BUGGIES,PRAMS,COTS ETC.

 

So it seems if nothing else the Mc Canns' case has made VIRTUALLY every holiday-making family a LOT MORE CAUTIOUS.!!!!!!

 

A lesson has been learnt in many cases but I am pretty sure it will happen again to some unfortunate parents.

 

But they may react in a way I feel (i.m.p.o) will be more in the way I would and my family would.

 

I do not like the Mc Canns and it stunk to me from the very beginning, and STILL DOES.

 

 

 

Dave K

 

Me Too.

[paul65]

A lesson has been learnt in many cases but I am pretty sure it will happen again to some unfortunate parents.

 

But they may react in a way I feel (i.m.p.o) will be more in the way I would and my family would.

 

I do not like the Mc Canns and it stunk to me from the very beginning, and STILL DOES.

 

 

 

Dave K

 

What is it you don't like about the McCanns and how do you feel you would react in the circumstances? If my child disappeared, I would hope I wouldn't collapse into a sobbing mess and would try to do something constructive to speed the child's return, as the McCanns did. I would likewise hope a pair of doctors would take positive action and stay calm in a difficult situation.

On the one hand you talk about the same thing happening to some other unfortunate parents, implying the McCanns are unfortunate parents, and on the other you are saying you don't like the McCanns and that it stunk from the beginning, implying that you believe them guilty in some way.

 

If the police had strong evidence against the McCanns, they would be in custody. The fact that the police are looking through diaries to give evidence of state of mind suggests their case is thin. If they really had corpse juice in the McCanns motor, that's damning evidence of wrongdoing even if it doesn't belong to Maddie. Why have the McCanns still got the car if it contains crucial evidence? Now the backdoor reports are saying that the police don't have any concrete evidence at all against the McCanns. Surprise, surprise. So they've indulged in a whispering campaign to set them up, all this nonsense about the body beind dumped off a British yacht. Obviously us Brits think nothing of disposing of our children's corpses, shallow grave, burial at sea, it's all the same to us and any passing Brit with a yacht will gladly help out. Where is the McCanns oportunity for disposing of their daughter? They had about an hour for the girl to die and be disposed of. That seems a little bit tight to me.

 

It strikes me that the police have got nowhere with this case and need to get the parents into court, no matter what the verdict, because as you say Dave, parents in the resort are afraid for their children. A child abductor on the loose is bad for business but wicked British parents disposing of their own child isn't.

[Mungler]

 

Indeed, as has been said before where is the evidence? Where is any evidence?

 

People don't like the McCanns fair enough, no one has to like them, but don't confuse that with a suggestion that they had a hand in it / there's something fishy.

 

Following on from the earlier thread I again ask the question - what about Robert Murat? He was prime suspect number 1 and now the police have backed off. When he was suspect number 1 there were plenty of back channel "unquoted sources from the police" that gave an indication that he was linked through his van, his PC and his mobile phone. That's all down the river now and it looks like he had nothing to do with it. So, the only evidence we have is that the Portuguese police have cocked up already in this investigation and to my mind that makes it all the more real that they can cock up again and again.

 

Just bear in mind Joanne Lees and the Peter Falconio murder and don't believe a word the press or the police "leak" out.

 

As for leaving their kids to go to dinner, yep the McCanns get the bad parent award of the year for that but if they didn't have a hand in whatever has come to pass then they have their punishment.

 

Seriously, who as a parent hasn't done something potentially negligent or reckless but for the grace of god nothing came of it - for example nipping to answer the phone while the kids are in the bath - the phone got answered and the kids didn't drown - grace of god. Leaving something hot, sharp or dangerous in reach but because of the grace of god it just so happened that it wasn't "reached". I am 35 but when I was a child my brother and I would be left in our cots (sleeping) whilst my mum would nip out to pick my dad up from the station - a 10 minute round journey. It was a different time and a different generation but nothing happened to me, more luck than judgment mind you, but it's one of those things that could be done 100 times with no ill effect or just once....

[paul65]

I have wondered why the person seen carrying a small child wrapped in a blanket by the McCanns' friend hasn't come forward to say 'That was probably me with my daughter.' Of course, the McCanns' friend was probably lying as they are part of the same wicked crowd

For what it's worth, I think that child was probably Maddie and she was probably snatched to order either by some sickos or for someone desperate for a child. I hope it's the latter but as she would have become too hot to handle, I believe she's probably dead either way.

 

It astounds me that people are so willing to believe that parents would coldly dispose of their daughter following an accidental death. What kind of people are these to believe normal parents would do such a thing? Leaving a child unattended is a selfish thing to do but it is rife and doesn't necessarily imply a lack if love for the child. But it's a long way beyond selfish to the degree of wickedness needed to stash and later dump your child's body rather than have to explain how she met an accidental death.

[dustyfox]

I believe it will all be resolved by Christmas this year.

 

We can't point any fingers anywhere at the moment so just let the police do their jobs.

 

And again as above don't believe in what the papers say, they only produce these stories to sell more papers

 

But I think that the portugese police should change the law on how they speak to the public. These secrecy acts on how they cant speak out to the public is so anoyying, the Mccans want to make a statement explaining how they feel and what they think will happen but they cant because of it.

 

Its like guilty until proven innocent

 

dustyfox

[Cranfield]

The entitlement to speculate and have an opinion on most matters, is everyone's privilege.

 

The only "evidence" any of us have, is what we have from the media, but that doesn't preclude us from expressing our views.

 

I think Gerry McCann's actions after the disappearance, of flying off to America on his own and travelling around Europe with his wife, visiting the Pope and getting involved in extreme media exposure, seemed to be more about selling himself and his wife, than about the actual disappearance of their daughter.

 

How would I have reacted, I don't really know, but I would not have done any of the things noted above.

I would also have never left my wife's side and given her much more support than he appears to have done.

 

The tragedy of this case is that the little girl is still missing and we may never know for sure what happened.

[the hitman]

The portuguse police were very slow to get the investigation started, and since then have been grasping straws. Tourism in the Algarve has suffered so much that the portuguse wanted the McCanns out at any cost. I dont believe they played any part in maddies disappearance , and all they have tried to do is keep the search fresh in everyones mind. wherever they went the cameras followed, a good tactic to keep something in the news.

The officer in charge of the investigation should be sacked for incompetence.

[trakker01]

IMO THE PORTUGEESE HOLIDAY AREA CONSERNED WILL HAVE LOST THERE INTEGRETY!!

 

THEY WILL NOT TAKE THE BLAME FOR ANYHTING!!

 

IF THEY CAN PUSH THE BLAME ELSE WHERE (AS ANY FORIGN COUNTRY WILL) THEY WILL TRY THE DISCREDIT TREATMENT TO THE McCANNS.

 

THIS FAMILY WILL LOOSE ALL, BECAUSE OF MEDIA FUN FARE & THE BASIC STRENGTH, HOW CAN THEY COMPETE WITH THE PORTUGEESE GOVERNMENT !!

 

EVER HAD A CRASH ABROAD, THERE SOLUTION IS...IF YOU WERN'T THERE IT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED, FAULT OR NOT...YOU THE FORIGNER ARE FINED!! IF THEY CAN.....

 

...... I CERTAINLY HOPE NON OF YOU HAVE PROBLEMS ABROAD EVER.....THEN YOU WILL SEE !!

 

OUCH!!!!!!!! GOD BLESS MADDY

[al4x]

Our media has a serious problem with the investigation because police out there work very differently. They don't tell the media what is happening during an investigation which in my mind is probably a good way of going about it. However there are numerous leaks that are supposedly being made and no one knows whether they are true or not or whether they are simply trying to speculate to sell papers. The only facts we have are that one minute they weren't suspects then the next they were hauled in for questioning and are prime suspects, what no one knows is exactly what the evidence is and how good it is. Their system doesn't involve charging people then building a case as ours does they have to build a case then the person gets charged. It may be that it never gets resolved but what we have are two people who are more used to death than most of us and the possibility that they have tried to cover up an awful accident to protect their future. After all if she was dead then whats the point in them of loosing everything.

[Bazooka Joe]

I think Gerry McCann's actions after the disappearance, of flying off to America on his own and travelling around Europe with his wife, visiting the Pope and getting involved in extreme media exposure, seemed to be more about selling himself and his wife, than about the actual disappearance of their daughter.

 

How would I have reacted, I don't really know, but I would not have done any of the things noted above.

I would also have never left my wife's side and given her much more support than he appears to have done.

 

Have to agree.

 

The one thing I haven't seen yet is a tear from either parent, there body language, the look on there face's etc, makes me think it's guilt, I hope I'm wrong. I know it's easy to point the finger at times like this, but if they are guilty they are good actors, & callous ones at that. Is so, they have no option but to act out this scenario to the end, it's a hard one to call.

 

I hope she's still alive, being taken by someone who wants a child, & not by those sick Pedo's who need a dawn walk. One thing's for certain though, if a body turns up, & I hope it doesn't, forensics will speak for itself, then we'll know either way.

 

BJ.

[paul65]

I think Gerry and Kate McCann were clutching at any straw they could to try to get their daughter back. As for the media exposure, well once you've let that genie out of the bottle you aren't in control anymore and you can either back away or try to go with it. The McCanns went with it.

 

My wife and I lost our first son, he was stillborn at full term. My wife was in bits for more than a year. I had to do all the dealing with people, arranging the funeral etc. Because I had to do all that, I bottled all the emotion up inside me and pulled the shutters down. That's the look I see on the McCanns' faces. Just bite the bullet and go forward. Except, of course, that there is no end in sight and there may never be an end to it for them.

I wouldn't mind betting that this pushes them apart, one or both of them is blaming themself or blaming the other for leaving their children alone that evening so I wouldn't be surprised if there is a degree of guilt gnawing away though probably not for the reason that a lot of people want to think.

[derek.snr]

god only knows what has happened to the child ,will always hope that she is still alive,unless she or unfortunatly her body is found we will never know.the press already have them guilty ,how quick can opinions change.the police where /are under pressure are they assuming too much ,we do not know,ex english police slating them at every news program,what a bloody mess.

[Gordon R]

The McCanns are either responsible for the death of their daughter or truly awful parents. They deserve everything that comes their way. Their child is missing and they visit the Pope, the gym, hire a new campaign manager. Do me a favour.

[Suffolk shooter]

Can I just make a point about them leaving their kids in bed whilst out with friends. In todays NOTW (I know not the most reputable paper), it states that there was a woman acquaitence of theirs on holiday with her Doctor husband/partner who went back to check on her kids whilst also attending this TAPAS bar. It seems that if the McCanns were indeed leaving their kids whislt out, I don't condone their action, but I also note that they were taking turns in going back every 15-30 mins to check on them and that in between something happened. Now I have been away to these types of places a lot and know that there are people walking around at all times night and day and surely somebody would have seen something.

 

I am suspicious of the whole police investigation/motives, as I am sure that they (The McCanns) would have reacted differently by now under all the pressure they have been under if they had done something themselves. MAybe they are good actors and one is covering for the other, but until the truth comes out then none of us can truely say whether or not they are or aren't guilty.

 

If they are found guilty by fair means than they deserve the death penalty, if they are innocent then whilst being bad parents, they deserve the respect from all qwuarters to try and turn their lives back to some sort of normality after losing (and at the moment not knowing what has happened) their daughter.

 

SS

[Gordon R]

If they left their kids at all - and they did - they deserve anything that comes their way. They are idiots at best - at worst :unsure:??:lol:

[Suffolk shooter]

If they left their kids at all - and they did - they deserve anything that comes their way. They are idiots at best - at worst ?:lol:?:o???

 

That has to be the most stupidiest comment I have ever heard. :unsure: Do you know these people personally? Do you know that they deserve what has happened? Do you think the only truely innocent one in all of this Madelaine, deserves this? You must be pretty certain that there guilty to make a sweeping statement like that.

 

Wake up, smell the coffee and go back to reading comics. Leave the real topics to adults you cretin.

 

SS

[MC]

But they are guilty of the one thing that lead to Madelines disappearance, They left their children on their own while they went out to enjoy a meal.

 

I am not a parent but I can understand what they are going through. However to fly back into this country after swanning around europe and say "We have categorically got nothing to do with our daughter's disappearance" is naive to say the least.

 

If they had not left her alone then she wouldn't have been abducted, been killed, taken or whatever.

 

And anyway I LIKE COMICS :unsure:

[paul65]

Yes they left their children alone. One of them is now missing and they will spend the rest of their lives suffering for it in one way or another. They do not deserve everything that they get because of an error of judgement, they do not deserve to never see their child again.

 

I've read all his tosh about the McCanns' behaviour, 'swanning around Europe' etc. People seem to have a lot of opinion about what they shouldn't have done but I see no comments about what one should do when one of your kids disappears abroad. Sit home by the phone, cuddling the missus and having a nice cup of tea to calm the nerves? Hoping the superbly professional Portuguese police find her? Yeah, that'll get her back won't it? Do me a favour.

[Dunkield]

Yes they left their children alone. One of them is now missing and they will spend the rest of their lives suffering for it in one way or another. They do not deserve everything that they get because of an error of judgement, they do not deserve to never see their child again.

 

 

I tried to think what it was I don't like about them the other day, and the best I could come up with was they can afford a 2 week holiday with Mark Warner and I can only run to a week with Club Med :unsure:

 

I am now in the 'leave them alone until they prove something camp' the tabloid headlines and the 'I heard somewhere that ....' stories are now doing my head in.

[Mungler]

Yes they left their children alone. One of them is now missing and they will spend the rest of their lives suffering for it in one way or another. They do not deserve everything that they get because of an error of judgement, they do not deserve to never see their child again.

 

I've read all his tosh about the McCanns' behaviour, 'swanning around Europe' etc. People seem to have a lot of opinion about what they shouldn't have done but I see no comments about what one should do when one of your kids disappears abroad. Sit home by the phone, cuddling the missus and having a nice cup of tea to calm the nerves? Hoping the superbly professional Portuguese police find her? Yeah, that'll get her back won't it? Do me a favour.

 

Couldn't have put it better myself. Interestingly, when I speed read the thread I thought "that was on the money and quite pithy, but I don't remember writing that" :unsure:

[squodged]

I have been following the Topic concerning the Mc Canns with interest, like most people.

 

We have just returned from a holiday in Spain (last night) and we stayed at a hotel complex not dis-similar to the one in Portugal and the ONE biggest thing that we noticed there, was parents were being so protective and fastidious in their WATCHING over their kids.

 

It was NOTICEABLE TO SAY THE LEAST..

 

AT EVERY MEAL TIME THE RESTAURANT WAS FULL OF BUGGIES,PRAMS,COTS ETC.

 

So it seems if nothing else the Mc Canns' case has made VIRTUALLY every holiday-making family a LOT MORE CAUTIOUS.!!!!!!

 

A lesson has been learnt in many cases but I am pretty sure it will happen again to some unfortunate parents.

 

But they may react in a way I feel (i.m.p.o) will be more in the way I would and my family would.

 

I do not like the Mc Canns and it stunk to me from the very beginning, and STILL DOES.

 

 

 

Dave K

 

Just seems a bit fishy to me.

 

Maybe someone could explain this to me if there were 3 kids in the room, and it was a paedo or other kind of nutter why did they only take 1 of the 3 Kids?

[paul65]

Just seems a bit fishy to me.

 

Maybe someone could explain this to me if there were 3 kids in the room, and it was a paedo or other kind of nutter why did they only take 1 of the 3 Kids?

 

Any paedos or other nutters here care to answer this?

No??

 

OK, I watch Criminal Minds so I'll have a go myself.

 

Practical reasons -

Maybe only one child could be carried or transported.

Maybe the person seen carrying a child was the abductor and knew they'd been seen so didn't want to take the risk of another trip into the room.

 

Criminal mind reasons -

Serial killers and serial sex attackers that plan their attacks generally stick to the same physical type of victim.

Maybe a girl of Maddie's description was on someone's shopping list.

Maybe she was seen in town and chosen as a target.

[jonnyrabbit]

i went to pria de luz on holiday the place were madilene mcann was taken and it was a nice place so i do not understand why she was taken in such a nice place

[I can fly]

Interesting topic here.

Live by the sword die by the sword the mcanns have! the press now hate them!