Pangolin Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) Afternoon, Recently had my FAC interview and the paperwork is enroute. Ive been granted a 22lr, a 17hmr, a 243 and a FAC shotgun. I'm going to buy the 17hmr first, either the Savage 93R17 or the CZ 457. As these are reasonably cheap new, would you even consider buying them secondhand and if so what to look out for? Wasn't sure about secondhand as its unlikely I'll be able to test fire them before purchase, would you buy a rifle without being able to shoot it first? Any views on the two choices of rifle? Thanks Edited May 3, 2021 by Pangolin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 Personally Id buy new, youve got warranty, and you know what the real round count is. The CZ is a solid choice, Im not sure about the Savage as Ive never known anyone have one , I didnt think they made that model any more ? The biggest issue with HMRs is the ammo quality, but of all of them, the CZ barrels seem to be the most forgiving, my Tbolt was that ammo fussy , even from batch to batch, I gave up on it. Have you got ideas of what you want for the rest of the stable ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangolin Posted May 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Personally Id buy new, youve got warranty, and you know what the real round count is. The CZ is a solid choice, Im not sure about the Savage as Ive never known anyone have one , I didnt think they made that model any more ? The biggest issue with HMRs is the ammo quality, but of all of them, the CZ barrels seem to be the most forgiving, my Tbolt was that ammo fussy , even from batch to batch, I gave up on it. Have you got ideas of what you want for the rest of the stable ? You can still get hold of the Savage, if not I'll go CZ as I had a BRNO 22lr about 10 years ago, I loved it. As for the others, probably a M4 variant in 22lr and maybe a Howa 1500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 CZ without a doubt and if you have the money then buy a new one. All the CZs I have owned have been scary accurate both .22 and 17hmr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 It is a shame they discontinued the 455 as you could buy a new one for £315 inc VAT. The 457s are much more expensive. I have a 40 year old BRNO in .22lr that is still great and a new 455 in .17hmr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 Have owned quite a few rifles, some new some not, but never had issues with any. Mate has the Sako in .17HMR, but most of the folk I know with that calibre have the CZ. I have it in .22 and it’s just the digs danglies. Chopped, synthetic stocked it is a through and through workhorse tool. I’ve had it for years and it’s never let me down. CZ all the way for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangolin Posted May 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) A new CZ it is then. 21 minutes ago, WalkedUp said: It is a shame they discontinued the 455 as you could buy a new one for £315 inc VAT. The 457s are much more expensive. I have a 40 year old BRNO in .22lr that is still great and a new 455 in .17hmr. Looks like McAvoys have a 455 American 16 inch for £399. Was the bolt kift on the 455 as much of an issue as people say? Thanks for the input. Hopefully the ticket arrives this next week and I can get out with the 17. Edited May 3, 2021 by Pangolin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 I have a new cz .17 hmr thumbhole stock and it's brilliant also had a new cz .22 lr and a .223 can highly recommend never had any issues with either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 I have a 22lr and 17 hornet both Cz you want go wrong if you can afford buy new just so you know what round count is no other reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangolin Posted May 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 Do most of you use Hornady V Max 17gr for pest control? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Scully said: Have owned quite a few rifles, some new some not, but never had issues with any. Mate has the Sako in .17HMR, but most of the folk I know with that calibre have the CZ. I have it in .22 and it’s just the dogs danglies. Chopped, synthetic stocked it is a through and through workhorse tool. I’ve had it for years and it’s never let me down. CZ all the way for me. That was supposed to be an edit, not quoting myself! Edited May 3, 2021 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labstaff Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 I have a cz 455 in .22 and it's a solid rifle and I'm very happy with it. But another option is the tikka t1. A mate has one and I find it an excellent rifle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangolin Posted May 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, labstaff said: I have a cz 455 in .22 and it's a solid rifle and I'm very happy with it. But another option is the tikka t1. A mate has one and I find it an excellent rifle Are the Tikka all synthetic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labstaff Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 I'm not sure to be honest. The one my mate has is. It's a great rifle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Pangolin said: A new CZ it is then. Looks like McAvoys have a 455 American 16 inch for £399. Was the bolt kift on the 455 as much of an issue as people say? Thanks for the input. Hopefully the ticket arrives this next week and I can get out with the 17. I have the CZ 452 American .22lr, the bolt was a little tight/notchy when new but after working the bolt a few times it became much smoother, also had the sears polished and lighter trigger spring fitted, can not fault the rifle and its very accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangolin Posted May 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, old'un said: I have the CZ 452 American .22lr, the bolt was a little tight/notchy when new but after working the bolt a few times it became much smoother, also had the sears polished and lighter trigger spring fitted, can not fault the rifle and its very accurate. Good to know. There were reports of the bolt catching scope when it was lifted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 13 minutes ago, Pangolin said: Good to know. There were reports of the bolt catching scope when it was lifted. Have not had that problem with the 452, don't know what the difference is between my CZ 452 and the CZ 455 but you only have to look at how many people use CZ rifles and how much praise they get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyboy1950 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 I have 4 CZs, .22, 17hmr, .223 and a 243 also have a Howa 1500 in 308. Not necessarily purchased on cost, the 223 was the only one 2nd hand and is a tack driver as are they all when I do my bit. All utterly reliable. The only one I suggest you buy new would be the HMR as you cannot know if the previous owner has had a problem with the poor quality of the ammunition in the past. Only reason I got the Howa was I didn't want to confuse the bolt of the 243 and the 308 when heading out as I store bolts and rifles separately. FB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangolin Posted May 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 13 minutes ago, Flyboy1950 said: I have 4 CZs, .22, 17hmr, .223 and a 243 also have a Howa 1500 in 308. Not necessarily purchased on cost, the 223 was the only one 2nd hand and is a tack driver as are they all when I do my bit. All utterly reliable. The only one I suggest you buy new would be the HMR as you cannot know if the previous owner has had a problem with the poor quality of the ammunition in the past. Only reason I got the Howa was I didn't want to confuse the bolt of the 243 and the 308 when heading out as I store bolts and rifles separately. FB How do you like the Howa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyboy1950 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 I love it. The Hogue stock is not to everyone's taste but the more I use it the more I like it. FB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangolin Posted May 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, Flyboy1950 said: I love it. The Hogue stock is not to everyone's taste but the more I use it the more I like it. FB Not usually a synthetic fan but like the Oyrx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Pangolin said: Not usually a synthetic fan but like the Oyrx The Oryx is a chassis system . The main body is aluminium, the plastic is only really bits of trim. It's a nice, light , slim stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangolin Posted May 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Rewulf said: The Oryx is a chassis system . The main body is aluminium, the plastic is only really bits of trim. It's a nice, light , slim stock. Yeah, I think its nicer than the 1500 standard stock, didnt realise it was mostly alu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Pangolin said: Yeah, I think its nicer than the 1500 standard stock, didnt realise it was mostly alu. Most definitely, but you're looking another £400 and another 50 for a mag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangolin Posted May 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 Just now, Rewulf said: Most definitely, but you're looking another £400 and another 50 for a mag. Maybe I'll ask father Christmas haha. I'll save up for the 243 over this year, the 17 will be getting the most use for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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