Is this the beginning of the end?

[al4x]

you want to try working in London a bit, a lot of the people sweeping streets, cleaning toilets etc etc are not white because our dross prefer to sit on the dole, these same people are the ones who are the Chav element and are every bit as capable of making areas no go areas as coloured people. Also just because you're black doesn't make you an immigrant I went to school with bucket loads who were born here and to a large degree they were the same except for skin colour.

So much of it is propaganda and as ever the media is biased and just seems to manipulate peoples views to their own end, I'll accept some of the deprived areas up north have a problem but this problem is of our own making. These towns had an imigrant influx which they encouraged as it was cheap labour in the manufacturing industries in the 50's and 60's they were crying out for people to work cheaply and do the jobs no one else wanted to do, Now those jobs are gone but the people aren't. Most of the Indians etc that I know are as sick of the situation as we are as they don't want special treatment or people worried about their views on our religious festivals etc. What we need is a government and in particular local government that acts on behalf of the country and keeps it British and supports our religious festivals. If other faiths want their own festivals they should be free to celebrate them but shouldn't expect us to have anything to do with them so no holidays etc

 

Oh and the Polish child allowance thing is a bloody farce. The fathers leave their country to work here because the jobs are available they then pay tax here which entitles their family to child allowance at home. Where is the problem with that they pay tax in the UK so are contributing the same as any other worker here so why shouldn't they have the same benefits.

[bernie garland]

This country IS being overrun and statements that immigrants are only doing jobs that whites won't do is utter garbage. This is socialist propaganda ****. I have several friends who are seeing their business eroded and destroyed by cheap Eastern European labour. It's alright sitting in Sussex, Hitchin and Devon spouting all this hug-an-immigrant tripe - you ought to come up to Manchester and have a look. There are an increasing number of no-go areas for whites in my city, and if the fact that I resent that upsets you, well tough titty.

 

I agree with the comment about civil war in the UK, and I believe it will come in my lifetime (I'm 52). The atmosphere and undercurrent of hatred in the mill towns in the North-West is obvious, you can taste it, and it's not getting any better. They hate us and our way of life, and we hate theirs. They have no intentions of integrating and there lies the problem.

 

Immigration should be along Australian lines. If you can't offer this country anything useful and you can't be ***** learning the language, then stay away. We should also take a long hard look at this Political Asylum nonsense. It's just open to abuse, sack it and sack the Human Rights Euro-**** as well.

 

And another thing If you weren't born here - no benefits. Immigrants should have NO automatic claim to anything they haven't contributed to. No child allowance for Polish kids that still live in Poland - you couldn't make that one up, but we're stupid enough to do it. Those measures would reduce immigration by about 99% I reckon. B)

 

And another thing - I'm an atheist, but started buying religious Christmas cards as soon as I was told not to, because it might offend other religions, and I cause a scene in card shops that tell me they don't stock them. :lol: :lol:

So I think that this Christmas, everybody should insist on Nativity scenes for their Christmas cards, and sack the robin standing on a fork-handle rubbish. Let's get offensive B) :lol:

 

 

WELL SAID THAT MAN

[Chard]

I'll accept some of the deprived areas up north have a problem but this problem is of our own making. These towns had an imigrant influx which they encouraged as it was cheap labour in the manufacturing industries in the 50's and 60's they were crying out for people to work cheaply and do the jobs no one else wanted to do

 

 

I agree with this statement, but the way I see it is that, having acknowledged that that was a mistake, why do we have to repeat it over and over again. Immigrants pour in here in ever-increasing numbers. If the Government say it's 40,000, read 400,000. If they say it's half a million, read 2 or 3 million.

 

There's not enough room here. There's not enough jobs in McDonalds. A couple of dumb-***** errors in the 50s and 60s shouldn't mean that we have to have an open doors policy to all the worlds waifs and strays and plumbers

[Lord Geordie]

A true Muslim is not a terrorist.

That is why we should not relate Muslims in general for this mess.

 

The terrorists have changed their beliefs (straight to virigins in heaven after they bomb everything etc)

But youl find the average British Muslim knows the correct wording, and wouldnt do such a thing.

 

Seriously, your getting quite wound up over all this

 

 

Maybe not but they sleep in the same beds share the same mosques live beside one another plot together and share each others feelings against anything that is NOT muslim! and it begs the question IF they are PRO christian or any OTHER religion for tham matter WHY did no Muslim come forth and warn the US of the UK about the impending terrorist attacks?

 

 

Why did so few muslims come forth AFTER the attacks to name the guilty???

 

Even the Chilling story of the SCHOOL child who got wrong for looking out of a window across the bay! His teacher asked what he was looking at and he said "those towers over there" Why asked the teacher? "they won't be there much longer"!!!!!

 

How poignient is that

 

They may not actually BE terrorists but their actions in their silence makes them no better in my eyes

 

Look at the post today about the Muslim Dentist!!

 

Other cases like the Muslim funded School who WON'T allow Christians to study there although WE are expected to embrace THEIR kids in our CHRISTIAN schools!!

 

It's a load of tosh

LG

[al4x]

This is really odd for me and I must be getting old or something but, I have no problem with muslims over here funding their own schools and bringing their children up in the way of their own religion and values. I also can't see why anyone would want to send a non muslim child to the school. And it should work both ways our religious schools shouldn't have to take kids of other faiths thats just ridiculous but I also think its our own fault. This bloody government we have is far too worried about what minorities think to the point where its almost as offensive to the minorities as it is to us.

What it means is everyone has got to get off their **** at the next election and get Gordon out even if it means we have to see what limp wristed "Hi my names Dave" is like. Lets face it I don't think he can make things any worse

[myuserid]

Totally agree with comments already made,i have a meeting in central London this afternoon where i have to catch the tube then walk to the office,how many traditional British people will i see on my journey ?

 

Mainly French in London

 

Slag away, but you are wasting your breath. Big powerful peeps up there will only laugh if they read this. Britain is still one of the best places to live. Why do you think everyone wants to come in? We should feel proud to live here or be born here. And proud of the Grandads that fought and died for it.

 

The reason why they want to come to this country is because they can do absolutely nothing and receive a load of cash for nothing, most dont even work and they are on benefits. Thats why others countries dont have this problem they have strict laws so they come to the UK instead.

I dont personally see a way out of this mess.

[Ferret Master]

A true Muslim is not a terrorist.

That is why we should not relate Muslims in general for this mess.

 

The terrorists have changed their beliefs (straight to virigins in heaven after they bomb everything etc)

But youl find the average British Muslim knows the correct wording, and wouldnt do such a thing.

 

Seriously, your getting quite wound up over all this

 

 

I have to agree with Hunter, i meet people from all walks of life and religons on a daily basis, and to call all muslims terrorists is wrong.

 

If your child is sick, you would not refuse the help of a muslim doctor?, or a polish nurse?, they should not all be labled.

 

I agree that this country is to soft, immigration should be a lot tighter, we could learn a lot from Oz, let people come in who have something to offer this country.

 

The problem is the ammount of people comming in, i dont think this country should change laws etc for them, when in rome etc is the way i look at things, so on that point i agree 100%

 

Well said guys.

 

I wonder how many of the people writing this have actually known a Muslim?

 

There is one Muslim girl in my year at school, born in this country and far more British when it comes to behavioural and moral standards and values than alot of so called 'British' people. Couldn't honestly meet a nicer person. She works very hard, helps others, represents the school at sport and would honestly do anything for you. She doesn't inflict her views on others and even sends her friends Christmas cards. Helped me last night with my science homework via Msn too.

 

This sort of person should be welcome in our society not discriminated against. I'm not saying I support people that come here not to work for one moment but people have been coming to our shores for a better life and to contribute to our society for hundreds of years, it's no new thing. I would be interested if some of you guys traced your bloodlines back a few generations and see how 'British' you actually are.

 

FM

[Devon Fox]

FM raises a very good point, there are very few true British blood lines, most to be found are generally in Ireland/Scotland.

 

Over 1000's of years our blood lines have become weaker and weaker, did anyone see the programme all about genetics?, how would you identify a true Brit?, and its not a case of "he is white!", only a very small % of us are actually true Brits!

[Chard]

FM raises a very good point, there are very few true British blood lines, most to be found are generally in Ireland/Scotland.

 

Over 1000's of years our blood lines have become weaker and weaker, did anyone see the programme all about genetics?, how would you identify a true Brit?, and its not a case of "he is white!", only a very small % of us are actually true Brits!

 

 

I don't really care about blood lines and true Brits, to be honest.

 

As far as I'm concerned, mass immigration is causing a strain on services and is overcrowding this tiny island. I don't give a rats harris if they're black, white, green, Muslim, Buddhist or whatever, we don't want any more.

 

Incidentally, it is an Islamic intention to set up an Islamic State within the UK. There's plenty of them spouting that round here. I find all this bleeding heart Liberal live-and-let-live drivel rather naive, to be honest. I cannot understand how anyone with eyes in their head and anything between their ears can think this is some kind of multi-cultural melting pot Utopia or whatever ******** we're fed by the Guardianistas. It's all going wrong and it's going wrong at a faster rate than I can keep up with.

[bongodriver]

I don't think we need to delve into the genetics, it's all about the culture of this land, I have to hold my hand up and admit I wasn't born in Great Britain, I was born in Zambia to a father who was half english half russian and a mother who is 3 generations south african (boer) and her family beyond that were from all over europe but mainly ireland.

 

But I feel British, I grew up here from the age of 8, my father, uncle and brother served in the British armed forces, and I wouldn't hesitate to do my bit.

 

lets see how many immigrants jump ship if the **** hits the fan.

 

I won't go on but I could write an essay on my thoughts

[bernie garland]

how many of these british loving imigrants are serving with our hard pressed armed forces? Answer = none

thats how british they want to be. is that integrating? i think that says it all

[njc110381]

I have nothing against anyone from any country living here as long as they give something to the country. Lets be honest, a lot of these polish lads pinching the labouring jobs are only doing so well because they work so hard! We need to combat crime, and only take in honest working types. I'd miss the Indian that does a fine job of my friday night curry, he works unsociable hours to make his living and fair play to him.

 

The softening down of our traditions bugs me, and is pushing it a little. I'm sure most muslims don't worry about what we do, it's our do-gooders making something out of nothing! I say happy christmas to the takeaway guy and leave him a tip. He can't see the big fuss about the day but then I'm not too bothered about his religeous festivals either. We still get on ok. A black criminal is the same as a white one, scum. A muslim doctor does as good a job as a christian one, so let the guy carry on! It's the crooks of every race that need dealing with, including our own!

[Hunter]

how many of these british loving imigrants are serving with our hard pressed armed forces? Answer = none

thats how british they want to be. is that integrating? i think that says it all

 

 

I was considering the UK armed forces or Police or similar work.

But considering that we just get sent into pointless wars now, Im not prepared to die for nothing.

 

Trust me if we are under attack, il be there to defend and serve my country.. but I wont get sent of to cause more mess then good. Prehaps these foreign people have seen whats going on, and dont want to take part either.

 

I just want a peaceful life, work hard, then play hard, enjoying my hobbies like shooting and climbing, and generally not bothering people who are doing the same.

 

If only everyone in the world would realise we are all on the same lifeboat.. theres no good fighting and bickering.. if theres a hole, we will all go down. If we work together, we might just make it..

[bernie garland]

how many of these british loving imigrants are serving with our hard pressed armed forces? Answer = none

thats how british they want to be. is that integrating? i think that says it all

 

 

I was considering the UK armed forces or Police or similar work.

But considering that we just get sent into pointless wars now, Im not prepared to die for nothing.

 

Trust me if we are under attack, il be there to defend and serve my country.. but I wont get sent of to cause more mess then good. Prehaps these foreign people have seen whats going on, and dont want to take part either.

 

I just want a peaceful life, work hard, then play hard, enjoying my hobbies like shooting and climbing, and generally not bothering people who are doing the same.

 

If only everyone in the world would realise we are all on the same lifeboat.. theres no good fighting and bickering.. if theres a hole, we will all go down. If we work together, we might just make it..

at 19 you aint worth talking to, what have you done nowt, whwat have you seen nowt ,get on a kiddies forum

[Hunter]

how many of these british loving imigrants are serving with our hard pressed armed forces? Answer = none

thats how british they want to be. is that integrating? i think that says it all

 

 

I was considering the UK armed forces or Police or similar work.

But considering that we just get sent into pointless wars now, Im not prepared to die for nothing.

 

Trust me if we are under attack, il be there to defend and serve my country.. but I wont get sent of to cause more mess then good. Prehaps these foreign people have seen whats going on, and dont want to take part either.

 

I just want a peaceful life, work hard, then play hard, enjoying my hobbies like shooting and climbing, and generally not bothering people who are doing the same.

 

If only everyone in the world would realise we are all on the same lifeboat.. theres no good fighting and bickering.. if theres a hole, we will all go down. If we work together, we might just make it..

at 19 you aint worth talking to, what have you done nowt, whwat have you seen nowt ,get on a kiddies forum

 

 

Maybe having a fresh mind is a good thing...

 

Atleast im still full of hope, or id be one sad moaning ***.

Just hope I stay this way.

 

Just to let you know what I have done, is work in a caring school for disabled people. I have learnt how lucky 99% of us Brits are, and have learnt not to take it for granted. This is where I work with many foreign people, and I have learnt a lot.

 

Now tell me how many 19 year olds have travelled to poor countries for their holiday istead of 'Ibiza' and other places.

Tell me how many 19 year olds dont sit infront of the blaring biased TV and get this image.

 

A discussion has two sides. If you think you can have a conversation on this forum, then you have to be prepared to listen.

 

 

* gets spade out and carrys on digging* I dont know why I am still trying

[Chard]

how many of these british loving imigrants are serving with our hard pressed armed forces? Answer = none

thats how british they want to be. is that integrating? i think that says it all

 

 

I was considering the UK armed forces or Police or similar work.

But considering that we just get sent into pointless wars now, Im not prepared to die for nothing.

 

Trust me if we are under attack, il be there to defend and serve my country.. but I wont get sent of to cause more mess then good. Prehaps these foreign people have seen whats going on, and dont want to take part either.

 

I just want a peaceful life, work hard, then play hard, enjoying my hobbies like shooting and climbing, and generally not bothering people who are doing the same.

 

If only everyone in the world would realise we are all on the same lifeboat.. theres no good fighting and bickering.. if theres a hole, we will all go down. If we work together, we might just make it..

at 19 you aint worth talking to, what have you done nowt, whwat have you seen nowt ,get on a kiddies forum

 

 

Maybe having a fresh mind is a good thing...

 

Atleast im still full of hope, or id be one sad moaning ***.

Just hope I stay this way.

 

Just to let you know what I have done, is work in a caring school for disabled people. I have learnt how lucky 99% of us Brits are, and have learnt not to take it for granted. This is where I work with many foreign people, and I have learnt a lot.

 

Now tell me how many 19 year olds have travelled to poor countries for their holiday istead of 'Ibiza' and other places.

Tell me how many 19 year olds dont sit infront of the blaring biased TV and get this image.

 

A discussion has two sides. If you think you can have a conversation on this forum, then you have to be prepared to listen.

 

 

* gets spade out and carrys on digging* I dont know why I am still trying

 

 

None of which has anything to do with the fact that we're swamped with immigrants.

 

I also don't believe for a minute that the ethnic majority won't fight because they don't believe in the validity of the war in question. This lot wouldn't fight if we were directly invaded by a foreign power - they'd probably support the enemy. They wouldn't even fight for their own **** countries. Case in point is the Kosovo conflict. As soon as it got a bit hot, what happens, hundreds of thousands of YOUNG BLOKES seeking asylum. They left their women and kids in a war zone and all came running over here because they haven'y got the balls to fight for their own country. And you think they'd fight for this one - do me a favour.

[henry d]

Be nice to one another or the big stick comes out...............

[vole]

Calm down guys.There is nothing happening now that us English have not dealt with before.Having lived in a tin pot muslim country,it was tempting to chin the 1st one I saw on return,but,you know what?Lets stick to what we are and that is a civilized tolerant country. AND

Rest assured that the real wrong uns amongst em are getting shot the **** out of in less happier parts of the world by our fine forces.God Bless Them.

[Hunter]

Sorry guys, im just a young chap who knows nothing about nothing

 

I rest my spade before im too deep.

Just had one of those days

[twelvebore]

Hunter, I think that your opinion is just as valid as anyone else on here. Age doesn't always give one wisdom, sometimes it leads to bias and a bigotted outlook.

 

As for immigrants, I think that a lot of guys on here confuse 'illegal immigrants', 'legal immigrants' , and the folk (dross) we see coming from the EU - no visa required.

 

Added to that, a whole bunch of our muslim 'friends' are not recent immigrants, but second and third generation residents.

 

Interesting discussion though !!

[NorfolkBoy]

Hunter, I think that your opinion is just as valid as anyone else on here. Age doesn't always give one wisdom, sometimes it leads to bias and a bigotted outlook.

 

As for immigrants, I think that a lot of guys on here confuse 'illegal immigrants', 'legal immigrants' , and the folk (dross) we see coming from the EU - no visa required.

 

Added to that, a whole bunch of our muslim 'friends' are not recent immigrants, but second and third generation residents.

 

Interesting discussion though !!

 

 

And as Brits we're not exactly slow in migrating/invading ourselves are we?

[Chard]

Hunter, I think that your opinion is just as valid as anyone else on here. Age doesn't always give one wisdom, sometimes it leads to bias and a bigotted outlook.

 

As for immigrants, I think that a lot of guys on here confuse 'illegal immigrants', 'legal immigrants' , and the folk (dross) we see coming from the EU - no visa required.

 

Added to that, a whole bunch of our muslim 'friends' are not recent immigrants, but second and third generation residents.

 

Interesting discussion though !!

 

 

And as Brits we're not exactly slow in migrating/invading ourselves are we?

 

I don't "confuse" these different types of immigrants, I just don't acknowledge any difference between them. Some **** in the Civil Service gives them different labels, but they're all the same to me.

 

And it is of no concern to me how many Brits naff off overseas, it doesn't change what's happening here.

[berettaman1]

Happy times are coming?, just read goverment prediction that the U K population is going to increase by another 2 million immigrants in the next decade ! They make no mention that there will be probally several million more illegal immigrants who have just walked in,mark my words the olympic games being held here will be be a wonderfull opnortunity for another few hundred thousand people to come and disapear into the community!! There must be another general election on the way because , as a vote catcher to the people ,the spokesperson (MUST NOT CALL HIM SPOKESEMAN,TOO SEXIST) said they were getting a little allarmed at the numbers coming in!! and something should be done about it??

[Devon Fox]

how many of these british loving imigrants are serving with our hard pressed armed forces? Answer = none

thats how british they want to be. is that integrating? i think that says it all

 

 

I was considering the UK armed forces or Police or similar work.

But considering that we just get sent into pointless wars now, Im not prepared to die for nothing.

 

Trust me if we are under attack, il be there to defend and serve my country.. but I wont get sent of to cause more mess then good. Prehaps these foreign people have seen whats going on, and dont want to take part either.

 

I just want a peaceful life, work hard, then play hard, enjoying my hobbies like shooting and climbing, and generally not bothering people who are doing the same.

 

If only everyone in the world would realise we are all on the same lifeboat.. theres no good fighting and bickering.. if theres a hole, we will all go down. If we work together, we might just make it..

at 19 you aint worth talking to, what have you done nowt, whwat have you seen nowt ,get on a kiddies forum

 

 

That is just such a stupid comment, its a debate with different view points. hopefully conducted by sensible adults.

 

I think Hunter has demonstrated a higher level of maturity by not rising to that comment, attitude like yours does nothing other than compound problems, dont turn this into a free for all, i respect your opinions, so respect others

[jimdfish]

Didnt Britain invade almost every country on the Earth at one time or another, steal their wealth and lay claim to their lands?

I think I remember reading something about it at school.

Did anyone in Britain actually vote for the present government who allowed this influx of immigrants. I am sure glad no-one on here voted labour.Right lads?

Jim

P.S one day i will post pictures of my nieces and nephews. If the colour of their skin or religion offends we can meet up and have a frank discusion about it in the car park