Northern Ireland vote on Fox hunting with hounds

[wymberley]

36 minutes ago, Fellside said:

With respect Clangerman, I think you’ve picked up the wrong end of the stick here. I mean that in the least offensive way possible. Shooting would be next in line for the radical extremists which are very certainly in the minority and not from the general public. It is not Mr and Mrs Jo public who would mobilise against us. They don’t really care in general. I talk to plenty of them as I’m very open about my pursuits - and very rarely do they have an opinion one way or the other. If they ever do - it’s often surprisingly positive.

If the canon fire of the antis wasn’t being absorbed by fox hunting, be in no doubt we would be targeted next. 

Funny you should say that as I've just read the last whole chunk of this and was going to get ready to ask if you'd done the same about Charlie T's remark about socialists - or is it me that has?

[Fellside]

3 hours ago, wymberley said:

Funny you should say that as I've just read the last whole chunk of this and was going to get ready to ask if you'd done the same about Charlie T's remark about socialists - or is it me that has?

Clear on what CharlieT said thanks - re tweed and deep pockets etc. 

[Rim Fire]

17 hours ago, Gerry78 said:

I’ve been following this post closely as I live in NI and I’ve posted on this that I don’t agree with fox hunting with hounds my reason being is I pursue fieldsports for the sporting purpose of me against nature First Wildfowling try to get Wild Migrant Ducks on There flight lines reading tides weather etc if I get a duck for the table we’ll and good Second foxing with a centerfire  rifle to protect a farms lamp population that’s me out on my Own at dusk with a lamp The fox has all the advantages regarding hearing sight smell at night if I know I’m getting a safe clean shot chest/head the fox dies instantly So how hunting with a pack of large hounds hunting 1 fox with people riding behind them on horses Is sporting at all to me the fox has no chance If you think the public thinks that’s sporting I’d have to disagree 

But this is not reality i have seen foxes run off with front leg hanging off or fox move forward then you get a gut shot or someone who thinks they are some long range marksman and clips the Fox this is reality you may not like it but it is SHOOTING so suffering dose go hand in hand with hunting as i have said you do the utmost to make a clean kill but dose not always happen 

[clangerman]

20 minutes ago, Rim Fire said:

But this is not reality i have seen foxes run off with front leg hanging off or fox move forward then you get a gut shot or someone who thinks they are some long range marksman and clips the Fox this is reality you may not like it but it is SHOOTING so suffering dose go hand in hand with hunting as i have said you do the utmost to make a clean kill but dose not always happen 

you missed out the small detail fox shooters don’t chase them to the point of collapse first unlike hunting 

[Rim Fire]

17 minutes ago, clangerman said:

you missed out the small detail fox shooters don’t chase them to the point of collapse first unlike hunting 

Is this the same as hunting with all dogs chasing a rabbit or hare or mink hounds or a rat pack ripping the rat to bits you cant pick and choose what you got  its called HUNTING weather you like it or not its all tared with the same brush and when one bristle on that brush gets lost the anti will start on the next one either you stand together or you divide and that's what they want 

[captainhastings]

Nice to see some sense being talked. I must saying the hunting ban was the biggest blow going and set it all in motion.
Shame it was not stopped. Halcyon days indeed. Hunting with hounds. Out with the lurchers coursing hares. The country was alive. Little country pubs booming. Small working farms up and running. No one was over sensitive about any thing the. The country side was a great place. Could snare a fox and walk down the main road with it over your shoulder and no one batted an eye 

[12gauge82]

8 hours ago, captainhastings said:

Nice to see some sense being talked. I must saying the hunting ban was the biggest blow going and set it all in motion.
Shame it was not stopped. Halcyon days indeed. Hunting with hounds. Out with the lurchers coursing hares. The country was alive. Little country pubs booming. Small working farms up and running. No one was over sensitive about any thing the. The country side was a great place. Could snare a fox and walk down the main road with it over your shoulder and no one batted an eye 

Times move on, if the shooting community backs hunting with hounds we'd go down the plug hole with them. Not to mention they've done nothing to help us and their general behaviour, theyve bought it on themselves imo. 

[Rim Fire]

2 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

Times move on, if the shooting community backs hunting with hounds we'd go down the plug hole with them. Not to mention they've done nothing to help us and their general behaviour, theyve bought it on themselves imo. 

That's your opinion and you are entitled to it but you haven't got to put your own nail in the coffin by signing that petition myself i hate Hare shooting but i would NOT sign any petition to out law it 

[Scully]

I’m not really sure how anyone is going to know if the shooting community supports hunting with hounds, doesn’t, or is totally indifferent; it’s not like there’s going to be a poll of individuals which includes their hobbies or pastimes, is it? 
Unless you specifically state that ‘I’m a shooter and I don’t support hunting with hounds’, who’s to know? 
Does anyone know how many of those who hunt, approve of shooting? 

[captainhastings]

As we know you can debate on here all you like it changes nothing. People all ready have there minds made up. The bulk of the people who will vote against every thing we do certainly don't come on here. They will be the people on facebook who go through life with there fluffy bunny attitude and see a post come up with a fox being being stretched or a pheasant being shot or what ever and think that looks so cruel I will go vote against that with a few mouse clicks. With no real understanding of any of it and live in dream land of packham and flowers

[12gauge82]

9 hours ago, Rim Fire said:

That's your opinion and you are entitled to it but you haven't got to put your own nail in the coffin by signing that petition myself i hate Hare shooting but i would NOT sign any petition to out law it 

I get what your saying and usually I would agree, you read any thread on here and you'll see me advocating free choice, even when it's things that annoy me. Take the cycling threads or cats ect. 

If I'm completely honest I'm ****** at the experiences myself and people I know have had with the hunts and maybe (out of character for myself) taken it too personally, although in my defence its not without good reason, I do believe many, ultimately have themselves to blame. 

8 hours ago, captainhastings said:

As we know you can debate on here all you like it changes nothing. People all ready have there minds made up. The bulk of the people who will vote against every thing we do certainly don't come on here. They will be the people on facebook who go through life with there fluffy bunny attitude and see a post come up with a fox being being stretched or a pheasant being shot or what ever and think that looks so cruel I will go vote against that with a few mouse clicks. With no real understanding of any of it and live in dream land of packham and flowers

This probably sums it up at the end of the day. 

[Penelope]

On 12/12/2021 at 17:00, yeet said:

Fox hunting with hounds is stupid, if poor people did it it'd be banned in a week.

Lots do. Have you ever seen how many foot followers attend? Not all well heeled following around in Range Rovers.

On 13/12/2021 at 07:46, JDog said:

There seems to be more Antis on this forum than ever.

Hypocrites more like, and there is very little morally worse than one of those.

[Penelope]

On 13/12/2021 at 09:44, Scully said:

I have to agree with this. I’m not a fan of fox hunting and never have been, but I wouldn’t dream of telling others they shouldn’t be doing it.

I don’t even lamp foxes anymore, as I quite like foxes and always did it out of a sense of duty for mates who had Fell sheep, but if one appeared in range on a driven day it would get a barrel or two, for the same reason. I have absolutely no problem with others shooting or hunting them however. 
We will drag fish out of water with a hook through its mouth, have even done it with a hook through an eye, but it never stopped me fishing. 
I have wounded rabbits, weasels ( awful for a man who loves mustelids ) pheasants, pigeons, corvids and rats, ( but fortunately never a hare nor a Roe ) and although regrettable, none of it prevents me from doing what I do.

When beating I’m always rooting for the high bird to get away, ( more for me on keepers day! 🙂)  but equally pleased to see a fine shot fold it dead in the air. It’s a weird conundrum. 🤷‍♂️

I’m involved in killing things for my own entertainment, so I’m in no position to point the finger at anyone else. 
Deliberate and avoidable cruelty is an entirely different matter. 

Well said Scully, as usual.

[Penelope]

On 16/12/2021 at 04:57, 12gauge82 said:

Times move on, if the shooting community backs hunting with hounds we'd go down the plug hole with them. Not to mention they've done nothing to help us and their general behaviour, theyve bought it on themselves imo. 

Would you back coarse angling to the hilt? By your rationale, that should be banned too. 

Coarse angling is arguably the 'cruelest' of all Field Sports. I ask as an angler.

[12gauge82]

4 hours ago, Penelope said:

Would you back coarse angling to the hilt? By your rationale, that should be banned too. 

Coarse angling is arguably the 'cruelest' of all Field Sports. I ask as an angler.

Put it this way, I've never seen a coarse angler damage others property, then be abusive to the owner, nore bark at me to put my dogs on a lead in public and then be insulting because I declined their rude order. Neither leave a gate open letting the land owners sheep out. Or many other instances of poor or illegal behaviour. 

[CharlieT]

12 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

Put it this way, I've never seen a coarse angler damage others property, then be abusive to the owner, nore bark at me to put my dogs on a lead in public and then be insulting because I declined their rude order. Neither leave a gate open letting the land owners sheep out. Or many other instances of poor or illegal behaviour. 

You'd make a cracking good publicity officer for the LACS

[clangerman]

15 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

Put it this way, I've never seen a coarse angler damage others property, then be abusive to the owner, nore bark at me to put my dogs on a lead in public and then be insulting because I declined their rude order. Neither leave a gate open letting the land owners sheep out. Or many other instances of poor or illegal behaviour. 

never seen a attitude like it had words more than once with one of the fools bawling me of the road as for anglers never seen a one rip fish apart just for fun 

[Fellside]

4 hours ago, Penelope said:

Would you back coarse angling to the hilt? By your rationale, that should be banned too. 

Coarse angling is arguably the 'cruelest' of all Field Sports. I ask as an angler.

That might be true if fish had nerve endings in their mouth area - which they don’t. Some people are strangely willing to assume that fish have pain pathways similar to their own…..?! 

Incidentally, if you were convinced (mistakenly) that you were causing so much suffering to the poor little fishies, why continue?

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, CharlieT said:

You'd make a cracking good publicity officer for the LACS

So would many of the hunts, they have basically done the job of antis for them. 

I have very little sympathy if I'm honest. 

[Scully]

1 hour ago, clangerman said:

……..as for anglers never seen a one rip fish apart just for fun 

Eh? Foxes aren’t ripped apart by hunters either.