Old farrier Posted July 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Walker570 said: Yes, although I usually proclaim Lylevale 410s as a good cartridge...I have just tried a slab of their new 3 inch and had no problem.... this concerns me. I used a few of their newish 3 inch last season and they performed very well. I mau have a back door access, no names no pack drill, let me have a word. Feel free to mention it to your friend you could add that ignoring the problem won’t help with the safety of the product or the confidence of the customer £100 a slab for a premium cartridge appreciate I’m not a big customer only a end product user that shoots 200 cartridges a 42 minutes ago, Walker570 said: Just out of interest , what shotgun and do you have a second 410 to see if that gives the same result. week but a customer a browning crown a English side by side and a beretta 687 I’ve had the same result with all 3 guns And a borrowed 525 iv explorer a fair few avenues to be honest it shouldn’t happen in any gun Edited July 23, 2022 by Old farrier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted July 23, 2022 Report Share Posted July 23, 2022 It annoys me intensely when manufacturers ignore emails ,I have just contacted Eley with a question on ther eco steel ,I have just bought a slab and need an answer ,no reply a week later . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted July 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2022 15 minutes ago, holloway said: It annoys me intensely when manufacturers ignore emails ,I have just contacted Eley with a question on ther eco steel ,I have just bought a slab and need an answer ,no reply a week later . And me ignoring the message/ problem doesn't fix it in reality it compound’s it hopefully you get a response soon 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted July 23, 2022 Report Share Posted July 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Old farrier said: And me ignoring the message/ problem doesn't fix it in reality it compound’s it hopefully you get a response soon 👍 Luckily my issue isn’t a safety one, I bought a slab of there hunting eco steel but on opening the outer packaging discover only boxes labelled steel clay cartridges ,they all have an additional sticker which says they are 4 shot 24 grams (20 gauge) and having opened one I am sure that all is well . I am splitting them with a mate so I just wanted confirmation through the manufacturer and the batch number so as to keep him happy.. I will try phoning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted July 24, 2022 Report Share Posted July 24, 2022 Unfortunately it is not just cartridge manufacturers. I'm shelling out close to ten grand on a Quadzilla UTV and get no response from them whatsoever. Fortunately the agent got it sorted. Then you come across superb response...Stokes Sauces, lovely lady sorted my problem for me in minutes, a breath of fresh air/. Mind , say Goodmorning to someone these days and they look at you with a blank stare..... I suppose there isn't an app for a reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted July 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2022 14 hours ago, Ultrastu said: I've never had that happen on any cart .410 or otherwise. And I've tried a lot of different .410 carts . And a few layvale ones too . A bit worrying Found a picture of the old fashioned cartridge extractor anyone got a 4.10 one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted July 24, 2022 Report Share Posted July 24, 2022 Never , ever seen one in .410. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 24, 2022 Report Share Posted July 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, Old farrier said: Found a picture of the old fashioned cartridge extractor anyone got a 4.10 one One might reasonably hope a professional metal worker might make one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted July 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2022 1 minute ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: One might reasonably hope a professional metal worker might make one! There hard to find and very expensive do you know of a good one 🤔 maybe express will give a free one with every 1000 cartridges 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted July 24, 2022 Report Share Posted July 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: One might reasonably hope a professional metal worker might make one! As a retired toolmaker, I certainly have the ability to make such things, but no longer have access to the machinery to do so. To have one made by such methods the cost in time would be out of all proportion to the item, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 24, 2022 Report Share Posted July 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, London Best said: As a retired toolmaker, I certainly have the ability to make such things, but no longer have access to the machinery to do so. To have one made by such methods the cost in time would be out of all proportion to the item, unfortunately. Yes I accept that, my comment was aimed at OF, I do not have a .410" so have no need for a custom "bespoke" extractor. 9 minutes ago, Old farrier said: There hard to find and very expensive do you know of a good one 🤔 maybe express will give a free one with every 1000 cartridges 😂 I shall keep looking. That might be a good way for Express to come out of this situation with some degree of merit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted July 24, 2022 Report Share Posted July 24, 2022 These might be worth a go . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted July 24, 2022 Report Share Posted July 24, 2022 2 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: One might reasonably hope a professional metal worker might make one! Behave yourself. Where would you find one of those on the Isle of Wight? 😁. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted July 24, 2022 Report Share Posted July 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Old farrier said: There hard to find and very expensive do you know of a good one 🤔 maybe express will give a free one with every 1000 cartridges 😂 Useless after you've pilled the head off🤣 1 hour ago, mel b3 said: Behave yourself. Where would you find one of those on the Isle of Wight? 😁. Well our friend is a metal worker but slightly different. He could probably make a few for the Ukrainians and their 155mm howitzers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted July 24, 2022 Report Share Posted July 24, 2022 16 hours ago, Old farrier said: Feel free to mention it to your friend you could add that ignoring the problem won’t help with the safety of the product or the confidence of the customer £100 a slab for a premium cartridge appreciate I’m not a big customer only a end product user that shoots 200 cartridges a week but a customer a browning crown a English side by side and a beretta 687 I’ve had the same result with all 3 guns And a borrowed 525 iv explorer a fair few avenues to be honest it shouldn’t happen in any gun The .410 Crown is lovely, is that yours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted July 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2022 38 minutes ago, button said: The .410 Crown is lovely, is that yours? Yes it is its probably the gun caused the cartridges issue 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted July 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2022 And today if you thought things couldn’t get any worse 🙄 have to say and I’m trying to be polite here I’m not impressed going to add another picture with Fridays ones added to today’s just incase you think I’m making it up 🤔 im hoping the manufacturers will start taking this seriously my product confidence is plummeting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted July 24, 2022 Report Share Posted July 24, 2022 33 minutes ago, Old farrier said: Yes it is its probably the gun caused the cartridges issue 🙄 That is absolutely gorgeous Was there only 29 available in the UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lever357 Posted July 24, 2022 Report Share Posted July 24, 2022 27 minutes ago, Old farrier said: And today if you thought things couldn’t get any worse 🙄 have to say and I’m trying to be polite here I’m not impressed going to add another picture with Fridays ones added to today’s just incase you think I’m making it up 🤔 im hoping the manufacturers will start taking this seriously my product confidence is plummeting What has happened to the open end of the three cases from the left??? The cases look very waxy, like a candle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted July 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2022 20 minutes ago, button said: That is absolutely gorgeous Was there only 29 available in the UK? The world 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 24, 2022 Report Share Posted July 24, 2022 I really hope Lyalvale Express take this matter seriously and make every effort to sort it out by recalling all of that batch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted July 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2022 21 minutes ago, Lever357 said: What has happened to the open end of the three cases from the left??? The cases look very waxy, like a candle. They just went up the barrel im not sure what is happening maybe the wads need a bit more wax on them 1 minute ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: I really hope Lyalvale Express take this matter seriously and make every effort to sort it out by recalling all of that batch. I hope so to 😡 I hope they are reading the thread!! don’t hold back on your comments gent’s it doesn’t matter if they aren’t reading it and if they are then hopefully they will resolve this safety issue 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 24, 2022 Report Share Posted July 24, 2022 Mrs Walters Wad Wax, solves all your little problems! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted July 24, 2022 Report Share Posted July 24, 2022 More and more it's looking like the powder load is too much and the powder burning speed is too slow. Something has definitely gone wrong at manufacturers process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted July 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2022 32 minutes ago, Stonepark said: More and more it's looking like the powder load is too much and the powder burning speed is too slow. Something has definitely gone wrong at manufacturers process. Thank you for the very constructive response I shall take one apart for you later is there any way to identify the powder ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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