Moderator exchange

[t2rys]

Ok how do I go about exchanging a Moderator I have for a Moderator that a Friend with fac has

 ( he wants mine I want his )

whats the easiest way to do it both differant makes   

[steve_b_wales]

5 minutes ago, t2rys said:

Ok how do I go about exchanging a Moderator I have for a Moderator that a Friend with fac has

 ( he wants mine I want his )

whats the easiest way to do it both differant makes   

It's long winded. For you both to aqquire another/different moderator, you have to 'sell' or 'dispose' of the one you have now. When i bought a different moderator (via a RFD) he took my original one and gave me a receipt for it. I then had to inform the police ( firearms dept) that I had sold it and also had to request them to open a slot so that I could buy another one. Stupid rules but that's it!. You and your mate would have to do the same, as you can't sell him your moderator until he 'disposes' of the one he has now (unless he has another slot for one) and the same applies with him selling one to you.

[oowee]

If they are unbranded you can just swap them. 

[Rewulf]

2 hours ago, oowee said:

If they are unbranded you can just swap them. 

I have err, heard of RFDs that do this , but it isnt really legal.

One Nottingham based mod manufacturer, threatened to call the police when I suggested a swap.
I told him I was only joking .... I wasnt

[Andy H]

Are they identfied on your ticket's with serial number or make

[30-6]

Mine are logged as NVN, which I was told was No Visible Number.

[Weihrauch17]

1 hour ago, Andy H said:

Are they identfied on your ticket's with serial number or make

I have never seen a serialised Moderator, the fact they are even on ticket is farcical especially with the performance of most licensing Depts.

[Lloyd90]

12 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said:

I have never seen a serialised Moderator, the fact they are even on ticket is farcical especially with the performance of most licensing Depts.

They often write the brand and model, eg ASE Northstar … so no good if swapping with a different brand. 
 

The “proper” was is as Steve has described. 
 

Obviously no one is suggesting that if the mods are the same make / brand / note on the FAC that they could be swapped without issue… 

[oowee]

6 hours ago, Rewulf said:

I have err, heard of RFDs that do this , but it isnt really legal.

One Nottingham based mod manufacturer, threatened to call the police when I suggested a swap.
I told him I was only joking .... I wasnt

If they are unbranded and unidentified it's legal. You could of course right sold unbranded mod and bought unbranded mod and do the usual but what's the point 😁 I thought this is why we have moved to unbranded mods? 

[Rewulf]

10 hours ago, oowee said:

If they are unbranded and unidentified it's legal

Who told you that? 

[sportsbob]

12 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Who told you that? 

I think he is illustrating a scenario.

[Rewulf]

1 hour ago, sportsbob said:

I think he is illustrating a scenario.

I'll give you a scenario where Notts FLM told me it definitely isn't legal, using the definition of the law. 

They also told me they are working on taking mods off sec 1, but 'These things take time to sort out' 

[Dave-G]

13 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

I'll give you a scenario where Notts FLM told me it definitely isn't legal, using the definition of the law. 

They also told me they are working on taking mods off sec 1, but 'These things take time to sort out' 

John Toon - a (then) uniformed Leic's FEO told me that about 8 years ago, a long time sorting out indeed.

Edited December 3, 2022 by Dave-G

[London Best]

Taking mods off section 1 would surely require an act of Parliament?

[Rewulf]

37 minutes ago, London Best said:

Taking mods off section 1 would surely require an act of Parliament?

And the will to propose it .
When was the last time Firearms licencing make anything easier ?

[Dave-G]

4 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

And the will to propose it .
When was the last time Firearms licencing make anything easier ?

LOL, when did any civil service make anything easier, fairer or cheaper to facilitate.

[oowee]

2 hours ago, Rewulf said:

Who told you that? 

Simply nothing has changed. Each person still has an unbranded and unidentified mod. The same as they did before the process started. There is no administrative change to take place so nothing has happened. 

[Rewulf]

1 hour ago, Dave-G said:

LOL, when did any civil service make anything easier, fairer or cheaper to facilitate.

Fair comment 

I did expect someone to mention the sec 5 ammo thing, but its early days on who that actually helped.

1 hour ago, oowee said:

Simply nothing has changed. Each person still has an unbranded and unidentified mod. The same as they did before the process started. There is no administrative change to take place so nothing has happened. 

You might not think that , bring it up with your FEO next time you speak to them, and see what they say 

[Jaymo]

2 hours ago, Rewulf said:

And the will to propose it .
When was the last time Firearms licencing make anything easier ?

When expanding was taken from sec 5! 

******, I posted that and hadn’t seen ur reply above. 

[Rewulf]

1 minute ago, Jaymo said:

When expanding was taken from sec 5! 

******, I posted that and hadn’t seen ur reply above. 

Ill let you off then 

[oowee]

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

Fair comment 

I did expect someone to mention the sec 5 ammo thing, but its early days on who that actually helped.

You might not think that , bring it up with your FEO next time you speak to them, and see what they say 

What would I ask? I have an unidentified mod on my ticket. I would like to keep an unidentified mod on my ticket? I don't need permission to keep things as they are. 

There is no admin change, nothing has changed so there is no permission required. 

 

[Rewulf]

1 minute ago, oowee said:

What would I ask?

Simple , ask him/her if it OK to put another unidentified mod on the gun that has ben acquired from elsewhere , without going through the variation process.
Their first answer will be no, followed by where did you acquire this other sec 1 item from.

I know this happens, its taken as a given, but it isnt legal, and if you get caught out with it , youre in trouble.

[oowee]

2 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Simple , ask him/her if it OK to put another unidentified mod on the gun that has ben acquired from elsewhere , without going through the variation process.
Their first answer will be no, followed by where did you acquire this other sec 1 item from.

I know this happens, its taken as a given, but it isnt legal, and if you get caught out with it , youre in trouble.

I guess we have to agree to disagree. There is no material change so no permission is required. There is nothing to get caught with because the mod on your ticket is the one on the rifle. 

[davewh100]

can see both sides of this but not sure i would take the risk, i have a mod with nvn on my section 1  not sure anyone would no if i swapped it like for like same caliber 

[Rewulf]

On 04/12/2022 at 10:00, davewh100 said:

can see both sides of this but not sure i would take the risk, i have a mod with nvn on my section 1  not sure anyone would no if i swapped it like for like same caliber 

They probably wouldnt know, doesnt make it legal though.

Wildcat are now putting serial numbers on new mods , along with calibre specific markings on baffle and shroud, the other mod manufacturers will likely follow.
I read one bloke went to buy a .243 mod from an RFD , for his 6mm PPC rifle, and because it said 6mm PPC on his ticket, then wouldnt sell him a mod marked .243, as he wasnt licenced for this item, absolute madness , as its very unlikely you will find any mod marked thus, even though theyre the same diameter.

It would seem the promised relaxation of mod certification is but a pipe dream , in fact , this heralds a tightening of it.

Then you hear people scoff when its said that the UK/EU is trying its best to make private firearms ownership more and more difficult ?