Rem260 Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 Just watched a nurse on the news who stated. That all those on the picket line are on their day off, on a break or coming off shift? Services should be operating as normal. So why is it called a strike? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 Union panicking the public Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu64 Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 It maybe that way on that particular picket line but thats not happening everywhere else, far from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Rem260 said: Just watched a nurse on the news who stated. That all those on the picket line are on their day off, on a break or coming off shift? Services should be operating as normal. So why is it called a strike? There are several different unions, some didn’t reach the threshold to make the strike carry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem260 Posted December 20, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 Well they just had a paramedic on who voted for strike action, but didn't know what the pay offer was or how much she would accept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 Doctors next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Rem260 said: Well they just had a paramedic on who voted for strike action, but didn't know what the pay offer was or how much she would accept. Yes I saw that, I was embarrassed for her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 My grand daughter is a nurse at the Norfolk and Norwich hospital and I believe Norfolk along with some other counties are not on a one day strike today ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted December 21, 2022 Report Share Posted December 21, 2022 I was due to have surgery for cancer today. Cancelled due to strike and put off for a fortnight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem260 Posted December 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2022 17 hours ago, harrycatcat1 said: Yes I saw that, I was embarrassed for her. Did herself no favours or the cause. 12 hours ago, 39TDS said: I was due to have surgery for cancer today. Cancelled due to strike and put off for a fortnight. I wish you well and hope the delay does not cause you any worse health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deker Posted December 21, 2022 Report Share Posted December 21, 2022 18 hours ago, oowee said: Doctors next. Doctors are generally self employed, or at least the practices are ran privately, any pay issues there should be taken up with the surgery partners not the NHS... however they do get a LOT of money from the NHS if they meet certain criteria eg percentage of registered patients who have had flu jabs etc (which is why they can always find someone to give a flu jab but you may not get an appointment!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 21, 2022 Report Share Posted December 21, 2022 (edited) Nurses only work three 12 hour shifts a week so what was said could well be true. Then many of them do at least one overtime shift per week. One overtime shift gives them 18 hours overtime pay and increases their income by 50% for that week. Two overtime shifts doubles their pay. However, when you are on strike you are not allowed onto the premises. That's why pickets are always outside the gate. They are not allowed in to use the toilets or the canteen. I don't think that is being followed in this instance. Edited December 21, 2022 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted December 21, 2022 Report Share Posted December 21, 2022 27 minutes ago, Deker said: Doctors are generally self employed, or at least the practices are ran privately, any pay issues there should be taken up with the surgery partners not the NHS... however they do get a LOT of money from the NHS if they meet certain criteria eg percentage of registered patients who have had flu jabs etc (which is why they can always find someone to give a flu jab but you may not get an appointment!). Junior doctors are the ones proposing to strike. Pay has fallen 30% in real terms in 10 years apparently. I don't think pay is anything like it needs to be considering, the job, the skill levels, the length of training, the hours worked, the associated risks, the social life impacts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted December 21, 2022 Report Share Posted December 21, 2022 49 minutes ago, oowee said: Junior doctors are the ones proposing to strike. Pay has fallen 30% in real terms in 10 years apparently. I don't think pay is anything like it needs to be considering, the job, the skill levels, the length of training, the hours worked, the associated risks, the social life impacts. But they probably know all that when they decide to become a doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmicblue Posted December 21, 2022 Report Share Posted December 21, 2022 I believe the nurse strike thing was regional - Warwickshire's RCN members - the majority voted not to strike, but I believe West Midlands did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted December 21, 2022 Report Share Posted December 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Mice! said: But they probably know all that when they decide to become a doctor. Only if they had a crystal ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted December 21, 2022 Report Share Posted December 21, 2022 51 minutes ago, oowee said: Only if they had a crystal ball. You wouldn't need one, they'll know the length of the training, know it'll be long hours, which means it eill impact other aspects of their lives. Very quick Google. It's certainly not a low wage, how has the pay dropped 30% ( in real terms?) in ten years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted December 21, 2022 Report Share Posted December 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Mice! said: You wouldn't need one, they'll know the length of the training, know it'll be long hours, which means it eill impact other aspects of their lives. Very quick Google. It's certainly not a low wage, how has the pay dropped 30% ( in real terms?) in ten years My point being 10 years ago when they started training their expectation was of a salary 30% higher. Going by what my daughter told me. It's hardly great for ten years of training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scobydog Posted December 21, 2022 Report Share Posted December 21, 2022 1 hour ago, oowee said: My point being 10 years ago when they started training their expectation was of a salary 30% higher. Going by what my daughter told me. It's hardly great for ten years of training. Well don't do the training and choose another career then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted December 21, 2022 Report Share Posted December 21, 2022 9 hours ago, Rem260 said: I wish you well and hope the delay does not cause you any worse health. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted December 21, 2022 Report Share Posted December 21, 2022 3 hours ago, scobydog said: Well don't do the training and choose another career then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted December 22, 2022 Report Share Posted December 22, 2022 5 hours ago, scobydog said: Well don't do the training and choose another career then. What a silly reply. Don’t choose a career when you totally unknowingly get a 30% pay cut after investing 10+ years of hard work and effort into a field?! On reflection, the NHS has a massive shortage of Doctors and consultants and your advice is despite the huge shortages, massive waiting lists and huge issues within the NHS, the current small pool of highly skilled people who are capable of training as Doctors should concentrate their efforts on a totally different field? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serrac Posted December 22, 2022 Report Share Posted December 22, 2022 12 hours ago, scobydog said: Well don't do the training and choose another career then. The problem there is if the reason "Pay has fallen 30% in real terms in 10 years apparently" is pay rises have not kept pace with inflation over the past 10 years, they might just struggle to find another field of endeavour where that is not also the case. Remember the economy was still trying to recover from the 2008 crash for a good chunk of that time and then there was the Covid response. Of course medics are paid from the public purse so the normal rules of economics shouldn't apply to them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted December 22, 2022 Report Share Posted December 22, 2022 21 minutes ago, serrac said: The problem there is if the reason "Pay has fallen 30% in real terms in 10 years apparently" is pay rises have not kept pace with inflation over the past 10 years, they might just struggle to find another field of endeavour where that is not also the case. Remember the economy was still trying to recover from the 2008 crash for a good chunk of that time and then there was the Covid response. Of course medics are paid from the public purse so the normal rules of economics shouldn't apply to them... The real issue is not that they may look to another field … it’s that they are highly skilled and sought after professionals who may look to another country. People say if nurses don’t like the pay and conditions they should leave … well lots of them have … they’ve gone to Canada, USA, New Zealand, Australia as well as other places. Doctors obviously do the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 22, 2022 Report Share Posted December 22, 2022 15 hours ago, oowee said: My point being 10 years ago when they started training their expectation was of a salary 30% higher. Going by what my daughter told me. It's hardly great for ten years of training. Compare that with Dentists. My friend's daughter qualified as a dentist about twenty years ago She immediately borrowed some money from her dad, bought into a practice in North London and was earning her own money from day one. She can choose her own hours and has never looked back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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