udderlyoffroad Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Shadowchaser said: It seemed to me that they didn't even want the neighbours to know they'd have a gun in the house despite living in a fairly nice part of town. 1 hour ago, Rewulf said: You should never broadcast it to the neighbours you have guns, it opens you up to all kinds of vulnerabilities. I don't think @Shadowchaser meant that literally? But in case he did, he's confusing being a certificate holder with being a registered sex offender 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 Well i am 62 you cant or wont be allowed to do what we got up to when i first got my certs aged 15 , i can see shooting dying in my life time my son wont be allowed to do half the things we did and my Grandson will only hear stories or read about it in books .Just look on hear how many actively shoot ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowchaser Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 4 hours ago, Rewulf said: You should never broadcast it to the neighbours you have guns, it opens you up to all kinds of vulnerabilities. I didn't mean it in the sense of broadcasting, "hey look at me I've got a shotgun." But you will be seen walking to your car perhaps carrying what looks like a gun slip, or be wearing shooting regalia. When I pick a friend up to go shooting, he walks out of his house wearing his skeet vest, gun slip over one shoulder and ammo bag over the other. I'm sure all of his neighbours know that he owns guns and goes shooting. I don't broadcast that I shoot to any great degree, I don't post about it on SM for example. Again my neighbours will know that I shoot. You can't keep it 100% secret 100% of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Shadowchaser said: When I pick a friend up to go shooting, he walks out of his house wearing his skeet vest, gun slip over one shoulder and ammo bag over the other. I'm sure all of his neighbours know that he owns guns and goes shooting. Sounds like he wants them to know, very silly man. 3 minutes ago, Shadowchaser said: I don't broadcast that I shoot to any great degree, I don't post about it on SM for example. Again my neighbours will know that I shoot. You can't keep it 100% secret 100% of the time. While Im not saying you should be ashamed of shooting in any way, the vulnerabilities I mentioned include, amongst others, any less than friendly interaction with your neighbours give them cart blanche to use this against you. 'He said he was going to shoot me !' Result , guns gone. A less desirable element of the community gets word there are guns in the house, result, your house becomes a target for burglary. Anti shooting elements will become more hostile to you, ect ect. While most of the time these concerns will never be a problem to you , the risk is always present, and is often mentioned in FEO interviews. Pull your vehicle up to your door or drive if possible whilst loading/unloading, if someone asks , tell them its a fishing rod. I live in a fairly rough area, and I make sure no one on my street knows what I do firearms wise. It just isnt worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowchaser Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Sounds like he wants them to know, very silly man. While Im not saying you should be ashamed of shooting in any way, the vulnerabilities I mentioned include, amongst others, any less than friendly interaction with your neighbours give them cart blanche to use this against you. 'He said he was going to shoot me !' Result , guns gone. A less desirable element of the community gets word there are guns in the house, result, your house becomes a target for burglary. Anti shooting elements will become more hostile to you, ect ect. While most of the time these concerns will never be a problem to you , the risk is always present, and is often mentioned in FEO interviews. Pull your vehicle up to your door or drive if possible whilst loading/unloading, if someone asks , tell them its a fishing rod. I live in a fairly rough area, and I make sure no one on my street knows what I do firearms wise. It just isnt worth it. I understand your concerns, but there is a danger of becoming paranoid about it. If you live in a rough area I get that you'd want to keep it a secret. Without wanting to sound brash though, surely only a fool would burgle a farmhouse with guns in (if the house is occupied). Rest assured if my house came under attack there's no way anyone else is getting to my guns first. I know that's a whole other hornets nest of a debate, so I'd rather just leave it at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 8 minutes ago, Shadowchaser said: Without wanting to sound brash though, surely only a fool would burgle a farmhouse with guns in (if the house is occupied). Rest assured if my house came under attack there's no way anyone else is getting to my guns first. Thats another question you often get asked by FEOs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genghis Posted June 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Shadowchaser said: Without wanting to sound brash though, surely only a fool would burgle a farmhouse with guns in (if the house is occupied). Rest assured if my house came under attack there's no way anyone else is getting to my guns first. That’s exactly what happened to George Digweed though. They smashed through his patio doors and took him unawares after he’d just got out of the shower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHE Posted June 13, 2023 Report Share Posted June 13, 2023 19 hours ago, Rewulf said: You should never broadcast it to the neighbours you have guns, it opens you up to all kinds of vulnerabilities. Shooting is my sport, and everything I do is entirely legal. AFAIK the shooting sports are the only sports that require us to be thoroughly checked by the police. IMO, trying to keep it secret is the wrong thing to do because we shouldn't be hiding away, because we should be letting the general public know that it isn't just the criminals who have guns (from comments made to me over the years, it's obvious that a lot of people don't even know that most shooters are legitimate) and because our sports will die from neglect if we don't actively recruit new people into shooting. There are limits of course, I don't have shooting stickers on my car and don't have a personalised number plate with "GUN" or similar on it, but I'm happy for people to know that I shoot. And George Digweed was the innocent victim of a vicious robbery, nothing to do with the fact that he had guns in his house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted June 13, 2023 Report Share Posted June 13, 2023 Sixty years ago I knew a shooter (clays only, very unusual at that time) who heard burglars downstairs. He shouted, “I’ve got a gun.” The reply was, “It’s the gun we’re after!” They came up the stairs, beat up the old boy and took his gun. He never shot again. This was before SGC and cabinets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted June 13, 2023 Report Share Posted June 13, 2023 2 hours ago, GHE said: Shooting is my sport, and everything I do is entirely legal. AFAIK the shooting sports are the only sports that require us to be thoroughly checked by the police. IMO, trying to keep it secret is the wrong thing to do because we shouldn't be hiding away Whilst I agree with the first part , trying to keep it secret and being discreet are two different things. Whilst Ive already mentioned , FEOs advise on discretion when carrying firearms into and out of your vehicle, but let me put it this way ... If you have a high value steal -able item , do you let the general public in your vicinity know all about it ? A car has its own security features, maybe your house does, but cars still get stolen , and houses still get burgled. If you have a Rolex, do you flaunt it down the high street , or leave your bulging wallet hanging out the back of your jeans ? If you have a quad bike , do you leave it on the drive for the afternoon, before putting it away in your garage ? Now 99% of the time , nothing untoward will happen, but 1% when it comes to guns getting into the wrong hands ? Now I know what youre thinking, and like owning firearms, whats the point of having them if I have to hide them away ? And to a point , I agree, but whilst your car or quad might be used in criminal activity , your guns definitely will. As I said , I dont feel any shame about owning and using firearms, but Id rather not let the world know about it, and those I speak to about getting into shooting, dont get to know where I live. Paranoid ? Maybe , but that doesnt mean there isnt a threat of becoming a target . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted June 13, 2023 Report Share Posted June 13, 2023 Unfortunately, I am so well known locally that the whole flipping village knows that I shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehb102 Posted June 13, 2023 Report Share Posted June 13, 2023 On 12/06/2023 at 10:21, London Best said: It might be a leisure pursuit to you Missus, but to some of us it is a way of life. Not for the person that was being spoken of who didn't take up shooting. Please don't take my words out of context. On 12/06/2023 at 09:28, udderlyoffroad said: Umm, isn't that what mutual means, in this context? Genuine question I've found you can usually solve this problem by bringing his wife and/or kids to clays too...some get into into it, some don't, but in my experience once people figure out guns are essentially inert lumps of metal and wood, the 'no guns in the house' resistance drops off. Quite right. If someone has an illogical fear you work with them and reduce the fear. You respect their viewpoint but you offer new information and experiences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genghis Posted June 13, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2023 8 hours ago, GHE said: And George Digweed was the innocent victim of a vicious robbery, nothing to do with the fact that he had guns in his house. Not sure if you didn’t see who I was replying to, but I quoted another poster who said that a burglar wouldn’t get to his guns before he did. I was noting that that exact scenario happened with Digweed, where they caught him unawares getting out of the shower and then managed to steal 2 of his guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowchaser Posted June 21, 2023 Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 On 18/05/2023 at 18:37, wymberley said: No, but things in the future will be somewhat different. Driven shooting will be all wild birds and with the odd exceptions all guests will be paying. Walked up will continue but again all birds will be wild. Foreshore wildfowling will continue. Other shooting which by and large means vermin will also continue but will be purpose orientated and limited. Numerically speaking the number of Guns will be on a par with the mid 20th century. The biggest driver for this will be that all shooters will be obliged to show competence in terms of hunting knowledge and also gun handling with this latter aspect only necessary for clay target shooters - in other words licensed in addition to that required for firearms/guns. Enjoy. Apologies for the late quote/reply and perhaps a rookie question. But how are you defining "wild birds" in the context of a driven shoot or rough shooting? What is the difference between "wild" and "non wild" for example. Aren't all game birds wild? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted June 21, 2023 Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 I solved the problem of my neighbour finding out that I went shooting and had guns in my house. I took him shooting and now he has guns in HIS house ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted June 21, 2023 Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 11 minutes ago, Westley said: I solved the problem of my neighbour finding out that I went shooting and had guns in my house. I took him shooting and now he has guns in HIS house ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 21, 2023 Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 43 minutes ago, Shadowchaser said: Apologies for the late quote/reply and perhaps a rookie question. But how are you defining "wild birds" in the context of a driven shoot or rough shooting? What is the difference between "wild" and "non wild" for example. Aren't all game birds wild? Although in the past in all probability they would have been bought in as poults or whatever and would have qualified as 'non wild' as it were. This will cease and although fed, watered and 'protected' from predation - which includes the eggs if that slips through the legislation, these that were left will have gone 'feral' or 'wild'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted June 21, 2023 Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 33 minutes ago, Westley said: I solved the problem of my neighbour finding out that I went shooting and had guns in my house. I took him shooting and now he has guns in HIS house ! Add onto that, 2 of his mates as well ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowchaser Posted June 22, 2023 Report Share Posted June 22, 2023 On 21/06/2023 at 20:58, wymberley said: Although in the past in all probability they would have been bought in as poults or whatever and would have qualified as 'non wild' as it were. This will cease and although fed, watered and 'protected' from predation - which includes the eggs if that slips through the legislation, these that were left will have gone 'feral' or 'wild'. Thanks for the reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet11-87 Posted June 22, 2023 Report Share Posted June 22, 2023 legislation wont kill shooting off, doesnt need too. 36% of ticket holders are 50-64, 31% are 65+ and 13% are under 35. the rate at which people come into the sport is a bit below the rate at which people have gone out last couple of years. We will just see that gap grow and grow every year until its just too neiche to sustain and it will just fade out "This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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