Fargo Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 What junk guns.. My .410 action has broken in half. Anyone know the U.K. importer of them? Many thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 Perhaps a start point https://www.facebook.com/kofsuk/?locale=en_GB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo Posted February 12 Author Report Share Posted February 12 Just now, Yellow Bear said: Perhaps a start point https://www.facebook.com/kofsuk/?locale=en_GB Thanks , don’t have social media but just saw it was Sportsman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 15 minutes ago, Fargo said: What junk guns.. My .410 action has broken in half. Anyone know the U.K. importer of them? Many thanks That's not good . I've got a kofs .410 Been good so far picked it up sh in perfect condition .I've probably put a couple of slabs through it so far . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo Posted February 12 Author Report Share Posted February 12 55 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: That's not good . I've got a kofs .410 Been good so far picked it up sh in perfect condition .I've probably put a couple of slabs through it so far . I’d post a pic my gunsmith sent me but the files are too big Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 Where did it break exactly ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 1 hour ago, Fargo said: What junk guns.. My .410 action has broken in half. Anyone know the U.K. importer of them? Many thanks my shoot mate had a beretta that cracked in the action,some years ago vendor exchanged it imediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo Posted February 12 Author Report Share Posted February 12 10 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: Where did it break exactly ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 Best quality monkey metal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo Posted February 12 Author Report Share Posted February 12 3 minutes ago, London Best said: Best quality monkey metal? Suspect the whole gun is made for £60 -100 but when every tax man and business has their cut it’s £535. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 Just now, Fargo said: Suspect the whole gun is made for £60 -100 but when every tax man and business has their cut it’s £535. An RFD friend had a visit round the Beretta factory and came out with the impression that they were building Silver Pigeons for about £150, about ten years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo Posted February 12 Author Report Share Posted February 12 9 minutes ago, London Best said: An RFD friend had a visit round the Beretta factory and came out with the impression that they were building Silver Pigeons for about £150, about ten years ago. Honestly I don’t doubt it one bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HantsRob Posted February 13 Report Share Posted February 13 11 hours ago, London Best said: An RFD friend had a visit round the Beretta factory and came out with the impression that they were building Silver Pigeons for about £150, about ten years ago. I assume that price was for materials and labour, rather than overheads of the building, machinery, design, patents etc? I can imagine that's a fair raw cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted February 13 Report Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, HantsRob said: I assume that price was for materials and labour, rather than overheads of the building, machinery, design, patents etc? I can imagine that's a fair raw cost. He is a Beretta main dealer. He visited the factory and came back shaking his head at the ‘production line’ build methods. For instance, he said he watched the stocks being ‘finished’ by passing through a spray booth hanging from a moving conveyor. His exact words were, “ they must be knocking them out for about 150 quid apiece.” This was Silver Pigeons, which I have heard people refer to as a ‘high-end gun’. I have no doubt that if you pay for a ‘high end’ Beretta you will get a very high quality gun indeed. But most cannot afford such a gun. That said, there is nothing wrong with the Silver Pigeon. It has a very good reputation for reliability, and is most probably not going to break in half as can apparently happen with some other ‘entry level’ guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymondley Posted February 13 Report Share Posted February 13 13 hours ago, Fargo said: Poor design, there's not a lot of material in that area no matter what metal they use. 13 hours ago, London Best said: An RFD friend had a visit round the Beretta factory and came out with the impression that they were building Silver Pigeons for about £150, about ten years ago. Considering the number of Berettas up and down the country that've had thousands and thousands of rounds put through them without fault, I don't care what they make them for, they just work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted February 13 Report Share Posted February 13 (edited) 17 hours ago, Fargo said: What junk guns.. My .410 action has broken in half. Anyone know the U.K. importer of them? Many thanks Hello, is it not in Warranty ?? If it is out of warranty i would still want SGC to fix it, although from what i read SGC have not a good reputation for quick fixes , Try contacting James Cook, Retail Manager , Edited February 13 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo Posted February 13 Author Report Share Posted February 13 6 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, is it not in Warranty ?? If it is out of warranty i would still want SGC to fix it, although from what i read SGC have not a good reputation for quick fixes , Try contacting James Cook, Retail Manager , To be fair I sent them an email at 8pm last night and 8am this morning it was answered. So far so good, lets see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted February 13 Report Share Posted February 13 1 minute ago, Fargo said: To be fair I sent them an email at 8pm last night and 8am this morning it was answered. So far so good, lets see what happens. Sounds good, keep us posted, So Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mable Posted February 13 Report Share Posted February 13 Just because one breaks doesn't make them all bad. I have a KOFs .410 and for the money they're excellent. I traded two other .410s to buy it. Can't see me getting rid any time soon. I recently purchased a KOFs 12 bore new, as my Beretta had a cracked forend and need time for a repair. Again for the money they're excellent. Brand new with warranty for less than the price of a decent second hand gun or a days game shoot. Although now my Beretta is back it'll be up for sale soon😁 19 hours ago, Fargo said: That's a horrible break, it must have been a shock. Although as someone else pointed out, not a lot of metal there. Hope it's a satisfactory ending for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted February 13 Report Share Posted February 13 That looks like the stock bolt has been over tightened at some point. I had a KOFS for a couple of years and it never missed a beat (28G). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet11-87 Posted February 13 Report Share Posted February 13 we will find out in time if its a 1 off or a flaw/poor quality gun. might have just got an unlucky one mate. i imagine the stocks arnt fitted by hand and if a bit of machining swarf in the threads might be enough if the bolt has been driven in to put stress on it. as for SGC customer service bought 1 gun off then a a 15/22 and the bolt in the pistol grip came loose after a few boxes of ammo and when i went to tighten it turns out it was stripped and they payed for me to send it it, sorted it and sent it back was gone maybe a month. but that is an example of a poor design a heavy duty bolt threaded directly into polymer.. that is a common fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted February 13 Report Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Sweet11-87 said: we will find out in time if its a 1 off or a flaw/poor quality gun. might have just got an unlucky one mate. i imagine the stocks arnt fitted by hand and if a bit of machining swarf in the threads might be enough if the bolt has been driven in to put stress on it. as for SGC customer service bought 1 gun off then a a 15/22 and the bolt in the pistol grip came loose after a few boxes of ammo and when i went to tighten it turns out it was stripped and they payed for me to send it it, sorted it and sent it back was gone maybe a month. but that is an example of a poor design a heavy duty bolt threaded directly into polymer.. that is a common fault. Polymer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted February 13 Report Share Posted February 13 (edited) 2 hours ago, bruno22rf said: That looks like the stock bolt has been over tightened at some point. I had a KOFS for a couple of years and it never missed a beat (28G). I was also going to suggest the very same. Do it on a Lee Enfield to tighten or loosen and you'll rip the back out of the fore end if you don't first remove it but that's all as it is steel into steel where it screws into the receiver. So that'll not suffer damage. But on an alloy action the steel will win every time. Edited February 13 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted February 13 Report Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, enfieldspares said: But on an alloy action the steel will win every time. Not to mention the galvanic corrosion which will eventually set in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted February 14 Report Share Posted February 14 8 hours ago, London Best said: Not to mention the galvanic corrosion which will eventually set in. Easily cured if you plan to keep the gun long term - copper grease I would imagine would prevent corrosion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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