oowee Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 4 minutes ago, Zoli 12 guage said: ain't that what a manifesto is😉 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 4 hours ago, oowee said: They won't be in govt over a single marginal issue. 🤣 Immigration, both legal and illegal, dominating the headlines for months and you *still* think it’s a marginal issue? Where do you get your news from, the BBC? 4 hours ago, oowee said: Farage is toxic to a majority and would need to go. Toxic to a majority in Islington perhaps. I’d certainly agree he seems to be making some unforced errors at the moment, perhaps growing pains, whilst the party infrastructure develops, hopefully to a point where come the next election, they can win Lib Dem-esque levels seats by targeting their increased firepower in the right places. What really is toxic is Starmer and cabinet going out of their way to denigrate their electorate with legitimate concerns, and (checks notes) releasing actual criminals early, to make room for people posting unpleasant things online, but only people from a certain demographic. If he carries on like that, he’ll soon find himself feeling the wrath of the electorate. One thing the British electorate really can’t stand, is appearing to not play by the rules (see establishment’s reticence to implement Brexit, repeatedly. That lost more elections than anything else in my lifetime). Locking up some people for doing a thing, but not others for doing the same thing, will really **** them off. 'Two-Tier Keir' has a ring to it, and angry denials that there's even a problem will only make matters worse for him. 4 hours ago, Doormat said: Reform didn’t even have a candidate in my city!! Hence everyone I know didn’t vote, they wouldn’t vote Tory but neither would they vote labour, Whilst I can’t agree with much of your post – by the way I’d suggest xenophobia is closer to what you’re feeling rather than racism - I question why you didn’t spoil your ballot. Staying home isn’t counted – other than as low voter turnout, spoiling your ballot is counted, and is a clear ‘none of the above’ message to send. 12 minutes ago, oowee said: Nothing bad? Roe v Wade. Economic chaos. Enemies of the West in a love triangle. Where to even begin with that? Roe v. Wade; His stated policy is to respect the Supreme court's decision, i.e. that abortion is a matter for individual states. It was always going to be over turned, because regardless of your moral position on abortion, legally Roe v Wade was on incredibly shaky ground. The only surprise is that it took this long to happen. Or are you suggesting Trump should have proposed the appointment of supreme court justices who were not aligned broadly with republican views, because that would've been a) a first b) you would be accusing him of not understanding the system c) they wouldn't have been appointed! Economic chaos; Our US contributors would dispute that, and I didn't see much evidence of it myself when last stateside in 2019. Enemies of the West; if project 2025 was 'a thing' it'd be wall-to-wall coverage across the news...the fact not even CNN will make a big deal of it should tell you something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 24 minutes ago, oowee said: Nothing bad? 24 minutes ago, oowee said: Roe v Wade. Roe vs Wade (The right to abortion) was 1973. It was repealed in 2022 by the supreme court. Can you explain why that is anything to do with Trump ? Especially when he has clearly stated he supports STATE decisions on abortion law. 27 minutes ago, oowee said: Economic chaos Its a clear fact that the economy was healthier under Trump, inflation was lower, food prices were lower, fuel was lower, unemployment was lower. Where was this 'chaos' ? 29 minutes ago, oowee said: Enemies of the West in a love triangle. The Biden administration caused this, the west is now in a de facto war with Russia, pushing it towards China, NK and Iran. What war did Trump start ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 7 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said: Toxic to a majority in Islington perhaps. I’d certainly agree he seems to be making some unforced errors at the moment, perhaps growing pains, whilst the party infrastructure develops, hopefully to a point where come the next election, they can win Lib Dem-esque levels seats by targeting their increased firepower in the right places. Not just Islington, he’s also seen as toxic by many who voted for Brexit. His new constituents don’t seem that impressed with him either, being their MP is clearly a second or even third job for him. He needs to do better there although I suspect he’ll stand for a different constituency next time around (assuming he lasts that long). Whilst the focus on Starmer is understandable, eyes are firmly on the likes of Farage too. FWIW I agree on your xenophobia point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted August 23 Author Report Share Posted August 23 28 minutes ago, Zoli 12 guage said: ain't that what a manifesto is😉 a manifesto is an accurate document .....setting out to the people of this country....what the govt wont do.....it is a fibbing document all you have to do is to replace the words "we will"....with "we wont" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 16 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: he’s also seen as toxic by many who voted for Brexit. His new constituents don’t seem that impressed with him either, Where did these 'factoids' come from ? 17 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Whilst the focus on Starmer is understandable, eyes are firmly on the likes of Farage too. Ill say it again, if there were an election tomorrow, what do you think the results might be ? Im not saying labour wouldnt win again, but that majority would just melt away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 46 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Where did these 'factoids' come from ? Ill say it again, if there were an election tomorrow, what do you think the results might be ? Im not saying labour wouldnt win again, but that majority would just melt away. At least a third of the people I personally know who voted for Brexit. There’s extensive coverage in the press on his lack of focus on his constituents. He’s off to Arizona this weekend, perhaps he’s trying to secure a trade deal for Jaywick 😂 What’s your data source for a reduced Labour majority if an election was held tomorrow? Who would benefit votes / seats wise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 2 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: What’s your data source for a reduced Labour majority if an election was held tomorrow? A third of the people I personally know who voted labour 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 Joking aside there is concern about Farage and his will to discharge his MP duties, the validity / extent may vary by political inclination but he isn’t doing himself any real favours for anyone who isn’t a die hard fan of his. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 6 hours ago, oowee said: Centre and centre right. As I thought, meaningless nonsensical positions? Their posturing leads us to where we are, laughing stock of the world and nearly 3rd world situation that puts everyone before home grown that funded the system? Shamefully supporting everyone/everywhere but here? Homeless on our streets, working people at foodbanks and pensioners unable to afford power to heat their homes? Magnificent political achievements in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 He'll certainly face far more scrutiny by people in whose heads he appears to live rent-free, than any other MP. Bringing this back on topic - this government, I did chuckle to myself when this morning on 'X'/Twittah, another member of Keir Starmer's MENSA level cabinet, Annaliese Dodds has jetted to South Sudan at taxpayers' expense and is signalling her virtue at us from there. The responses she got was very much along the lines of 'you're supposed to be an MP' a la Farage. Or, the laws-of-thermodynamics denier Ed Miliband in Brazil hectoring and lecturing the Brazilians on climate change, with his clear commitment to reduce our carbon footprint by ensuring the UK grid becomes ever less able to meet demand and expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 5 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said: He'll certainly face far more scrutiny by people in whose heads he appears to live rent-free, than any other MP. Bringing this back on topic - this government, I did chuckle to myself when this morning on 'X'/Twittah, another member of Keir Starmer's MENSA level cabinet, Annaliese Dodds has jetted to South Sudan at taxpayers' expense and is signalling her virtue at us from there. The responses she got was very much along the lines of 'you're supposed to be an MP' a la Farage. Or, the laws-of-thermodynamics denier Ed Miliband in Brazil hectoring and lecturing the Brazilians on climate change, with his clear commitment to reduce our carbon footprint by ensuring the UK grid becomes ever less able to meet demand and expensive. Seemingly ignorance and self aggrandisement have few boundaries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said: Joking aside there is concern about Farage and his will to discharge his MP duties, the validity / extent may vary by political inclination but he isn’t doing himself any real favours for anyone who isn’t a die hard fan of his. Ive got concerns about Mr Starmer and his acolytes, the difference is, Farage and co are an also ran party with 5 members in Parliament, while labour are in charge of pretty much everything.... So who should we be more concerned about ? The MSM will tell you its Farage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 1 hour ago, Rewulf said: Ive got concerns about Mr Starmer and his acolytes, the difference is, Farage and co are an also ran party with 5 members in Parliament, while labour are in charge of pretty much everything.... So who should we be more concerned about ? The MSM will tell you its Farage. I guess the Farage track record of damage to UK plc speaks for itself. We have yet to see Starmers output. The UN today speaks of the need to investigate and sanction xenophobic discourse by public figures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 17 minutes ago, oowee said: The UN today speaks of the need to investigate and sanction xenophobic discourse by public figures. Public figures quake in fear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 6 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Public figures quake in fear 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted August 26 Report Share Posted August 26 Hello, I was just thinking (🤔 😄) about another lady in Politics , PM Thatcher, remember her ??, It seem our new Labour Chancellor Rachel has taken a quote from Maggie, This Lady is not for Turning , on the Pensioners Heating Allowance !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted August 26 Report Share Posted August 26 On 23/08/2024 at 17:21, oowee said: I guess the Farage track record of damage to UK plc speaks for itself. We have yet to see Starmers output. The damage to “UK PLC” inflicted by Starmer was whilst R Sunak was ******* away billions in furlough and other covid boondoggles/unnecessary lockdowns, all Starmer could do to hold the government to account was call for longer, harder, lockdowns. If he’d asked, just once, for a cost/benefit analysis for yet another pointless lockdown, we maybe could have been spared a massive bill not to mention many lives ruined. And that’s only when he was in “opposition”. Now he’s in government, the damage he’ll do to “UK PLC” will really step up a gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted August 26 Report Share Posted August 26 17 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said: The damage to “UK PLC” inflicted by Starmer was whilst R Sunak was ******* away billions in furlough and other covid boondoggles/unnecessary lockdowns, all Starmer could do to hold the government to account was call for longer, harder, lockdowns. If he’d asked, just once, for a cost/benefit analysis for yet another pointless lockdown, we maybe could have been spared a massive bill not to mention many lives ruined. And that’s only when he was in “opposition”. Now he’s in government, the damage he’ll do to “UK PLC” will really step up a gear. 🤣 Far from a tory to accept responsibility for anything but to blame labour for the tory devastation is a new one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted August 26 Report Share Posted August 26 (edited) 13 minutes ago, oowee said: 🤣 Far from a tory to accept responsibility for anything but to blame labour for the tory devastation is a new one. Incorrect. It was Boris and Sunak that ****** away billions and ruined countless lives. I do not deny that for a second. I said so, repeatedly, on this forum at the time and got hell for it. But Starmer's role at the time, as leader of the opposition, was to hold the government to account. This he failed to do, and his only response to the situation was 'faster and harder and to hell with the consequences'. Again, I lamented this utter failure on his behalf, at the time, and got stick for it. The reason I bring this up, is that we could see what he was like then, and he appears to have suffered very little from that affliction known as introspection since. He played his part in damaging "UK PLC" then, and I fear he'll carry on in a similar vein now. To claim, as you did, that we have yet to see "Starmer's output" is either cognitive dissonance, or 'You ain't seen nothing yet' Edited August 26 by udderlyoffroad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted August 26 Report Share Posted August 26 1 hour ago, udderlyoffroad said: The damage to “UK PLC” inflicted by Starmer was whilst R Sunak was ******* away billions in furlough and other covid boondoggles/unnecessary lockdowns, all Starmer could do to hold the government to account was call for longer, harder, lockdowns. If he’d asked, just once, for a cost/benefit analysis for yet another pointless lockdown, we maybe could have been spared a massive bill not to mention many lives ruined. And that’s only when he was in “opposition”. Now he’s in government, the damage he’ll do to “UK PLC” will really step up a gear. 51 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said: Incorrect. It was Boris and Sunak that ****** away billions and ruined countless lives. I do not deny that for a second. I said so, repeatedly, on this forum at the time and got hell for it. But Starmer's role at the time, as leader of the opposition, was to hold the government to account. This he failed to do, and his only response to the situation was 'faster and harder and to hell with the consequences'. Again, I lamented this utter failure on his behalf, at the time, and got stick for it. The reason I bring this up, is that we could see what he was like then, and he appears to have suffered very little from that affliction known as introspection since. He played his part in damaging "UK PLC" then, and I fear he'll carry on in a similar vein now. To claim, as you did, that we have yet to see "Starmer's output" is either cognitive dissonance, or 'You ain't seen nothing yet' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted August 26 Report Share Posted August 26 I think this fits in here nicely,,,,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 (edited) More AI across PW. Edited August 27 by TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 4 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: More AI across PW. Huh? Which posts do you think have had some input from ChatGPT or other machine learning search engines? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 9 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said: Huh? Which posts do you think have had some input from ChatGPT or other machine learning search engines? They've been removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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