News tonight. Head of MI5 warning.

[old man]

Here we go?

Thousands of un documented people encouraged by MP's for  years? 🤔

What could possibly have gone wrong?🤔

[Yellow Bear]

3 minutes ago, old man said:

Here we go?

Thousands of un documented people encouraged by MP's for  years? 🤔

What could possibly have gone wrong?🤔

2TK and co plus the Cs will, without doubt, poo-poo the idea.

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[old man]

14 hours ago, Yellow Bear said:

2TK and co plus the Cs will, without doubt, poo-poo the idea.

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Of course they will. 

For this to continue their troughs must be being topped up from offshore as well?

[Yellow Bear]

2 hours ago, old man said:

Of course they will. 

For this to continue their troughs must be being topped up from offshore as well?

You will notice it has already gone quiet, I suspect someone will be looking for a new post soon.

[ditchman]

the head of MI5 dosnt impress me....

[Edtwozeronine]

On 09/10/2024 at 11:31, ditchman said:

the head of MI5 dosnt impress me....

Your avatar reminds me of Mr Biffo from YouTube.

[ditchman]

37 minutes ago, Edtwozeronine said:

Your avatar reminds me of Mr Biffo from YouTube.

i will have to check him out....................oh...and by the way thats not an avatar.........thats me on a bad day

[Vince Green]

The Polish prime minister Donald Tusk has said that Russia is facilitating illegal migration (both openly and behind the scenes) in order to destabilise the EU

I don't think he is wrong, why would he say that if he didn't believe it was true?

[oowee]

42 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

The Polish prime minister Donald Tusk has said that Russia is facilitating illegal migration (both openly and behind the scenes) in order to destabilise the EU

I don't think he is wrong, why would he say that if he didn't believe it was true?

Also funding far right parties across Europe. Massive media campaign to amplify division regarding migrants and stoke discontent. Trying to bomb airlines in UK and Germany. Setting fire to production facilities in UK associated with Ukraine. 

[sportsbob]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

Also funding far right parties across Europe. Massive media campaign to amplify division regarding migrants and stoke discontent. Trying to bomb airlines in UK and Germany. Setting fire to production facilities in UK associated with Ukraine. 

Oh dear oh dear , here we go again "Far Right"  I am old enough to know what far right is and I can guarantee you the modern label is far from accurate, it has been demonstrated many times these people are "Just Right".

[JohnfromUK]

On 15/10/2024 at 23:46, ditchman said:

thats me on a bad day

And there was me thinking it was on a good day!

2 hours ago, Vince Green said:

The Polish prime minister Donald Tusk has said that Russia is facilitating illegal migration (both openly and behind the scenes) in order to destabilise the EU

I don't think he is wrong, why would he say that if he didn't believe it was true?

belarus has been doing that along the Polish border for a long time;

https://notesfrompoland.com/2024/06/12/the-renewed-poland-belarus-border-crisis-explained/

[oowee]

24 minutes ago, sportsbob said:

Oh dear oh dear , here we go again "Far Right"  I am old enough to know what far right is and I can guarantee you the modern label is far from accurate, it has been demonstrated many times these people are "Just Right".

😁 we have left Corbyn, centre Starmer and Cameron, right Braverman, further right Farage, further right Robinson. Clearly everything right of the right (Braverman) is far right. Exactly where Russian money is going. 😇

[sportsbob]

14 minutes ago, oowee said:

😁 we have left Corbyn, centre Starmer and Cameron, right Braverman, further right Farage, further right Robinson. Clearly everything right of the right (Braverman) is far right. Exactly where Russian money is going. 😇

So in your analysis there is no left, in anyone else's world labour are further left of centre than Farage is right of centre and Tommy is almost as right as Starma is left. 

[oowee]

41 minutes ago, sportsbob said:

So in your analysis there is no left, in anyone else's world labour are further left of centre than Farage is right of centre and Tommy is almost as right as Starma is left. 

It's the Russian view that matters and Farage appears to be the point for support and to sow the seeds of discontent. If there was a far left group (there may well be) then I am sure Russia would fund that too. 

[welsh1]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

It's the Russian view that matters and Farage appears to be the point for support and to sow the seeds of discontent. If there was a far left group (there may well be) then I am sure Russia would fund that too. 

Why do you believe farage is far right? and do you have proof that russia is bank rolling him?

[ditchman]

im far out      .... man....does that count ?

[oowee]

41 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

Why do you believe farage is far right? and do you have proof that russia is bank rolling him?

Far right far left just depends where you stand. No evidence of funding to his pocket if that is what you mean by bank rolling. His message on refugees and Ukraine (war started by the west) is certainly amplified (sponsored) by Russia RT and X. 

There is also the close connections to Trump, on the same message, promoted by Russia. Farage on the Carlson show amplified by Russia. Farage supporting Orban (clearly on the payroll) at the National Conservative conference. All three touch points playing of the Russian playbook. Farage, Orban, Trump are all tools in the Russian propaganda exercise.

[Rewulf]

5 hours ago, Vince Green said:

The Polish prime minister Donald Tusk has said that Russia is facilitating illegal migration (both openly and behind the scenes) in order to destabilise the EU

I don't think he is wrong, why would he say that if he didn't believe it was true?

Why doesnt he supply some proof for it then ?
Its alright saying something, and even believing it to be true, but when heads of state throw these accusations around, they need to back it up with facts.

I could say that France is facilitating illegal migration (both openly and behind the scenes) in order to destabilise the UK, and it would have more basis in fact than Mr Tusks assessment. 

5 hours ago, oowee said:

Also funding far right parties across Europe. Massive media campaign to amplify division regarding migrants and stoke discontent.

Again, literally no proof of this whatsoever besides some vague reference to organisations that no ones heard of.
I dont need ANY media organisation to tell me about migrants and discontent, I just need to walk through my city centre.
Just because we are born and bred to hate Russia, doesnt mean we can blame everything wrong within western society on them.
Its distraction politics.

 

3 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

belarus has been doing that along the Polish border for a long time;

And rather unlike the red carpet we put out for Channel migrants from France, the Polish army stands behind a razor wire fence with rifles pointed at them.
What happened to the ECHR and refugee status ? Does it not apply to Poland ?

 

2 hours ago, oowee said:

It's the Russian view that matters and Farage appears to be the point for support and to sow the seeds of discontent. If there was a far left group (there may well be) then I am sure Russia would fund that too. 

You know very well there are far left groups !
Momentum, socialist workers party to name just a few, who funds them ?

The obsession with the 'far right' is pathetic, and again, a distraction from what is really going on.

1 hour ago, welsh1 said:

Why do you believe farage is far right? and do you have proof that russia is bank rolling him?

Farage is the bogey man of politics for the unwashed masses, a thorn in the side of the establishment, he HAS to be the enemy, and he MUST be funded by the 'enemy' 
Proof is unnecessary, just keep drinking the kool aid 

10 minutes ago, oowee said:

There is also the close connections to Trump, on the same message, promoted by Russia. Farage on the Carlson show amplified by Russia. Farage supporting Orban (clearly on the payroll) at the National Conservative conference. All three touch points playing of the Russian playbook. Farage, Orban, Trump are all tools in the Russian propaganda exercise.

Thats just silly.

[Raja Clavata]

Currently reading a national populism book co-authored by Matt Goodwin, he asserts two right wing “labels” - radical right and extreme right. I don’t know if it helps the discussions here but it helped me avoid lumping everyone on the right in the far right bucket…

[old man]

23 minutes ago, ditchman said:

im far out      .... man....does that count ?

Nope.🤔

[JohnfromUK]

5 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

What happened to the ECHR

Compliance is 'voluntary' within the EU (based on anecdotal evidence).  We were one of the few, maybe the only one, to take the EU 'rules' at face value.  France in particular has always only complied when it suited them.

[old man]

1 minute ago, JohnfromUK said:

Compliance is 'voluntary' within the EU (based on anecdotal evidence).  We were one of the few, maybe the only one, to take the EU 'rules' at face value.  France in particular has always only complied when it suited them.

And the proof of that is evidenced by daily rubber boats?

They don't want them so push them on?

 

[oowee]

2 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Why doesnt he supply some proof for it then ?
Its alright saying something, and even believing it to be true, but when heads of state throw these accusations around, they need to back it up with facts.

I could say that France is facilitating illegal migration (both openly and behind the scenes) in order to destabilise the UK, and it would have more basis in fact than Mr Tusks assessment. 

Again, literally no proof of this whatsoever besides some vague reference to organisations that no ones heard of.
I dont need ANY media organisation to tell me about migrants and discontent, I just need to walk through my city centre.
Just because we are born and bred to hate Russia, doesnt mean we can blame everything wrong within western society on them.
Its distraction politics.

 

And rather unlike the red carpet we put out for Channel migrants from France, the Polish army stands behind a razor wire fence with rifles pointed at them.
What happened to the ECHR and refugee status ? Does it not apply to Poland ?

 

You know very well there are far left groups !
Momentum, socialist workers party to name just a few, who funds them ?

The obsession with the 'far right' is pathetic, and again, a distraction from what is really going on.

Farage is the bogey man of politics for the unwashed masses, a thorn in the side of the establishment, he HAS to be the enemy, and he MUST be funded by the 'enemy' 
Proof is unnecessary, just keep drinking the kool aid 

Right or left matters not. Russian amplification for political ends matters. Russia is amplifying, with the use of Trolls and Bots, the messages of Farage, Trump, Orban and Carlson, to destabilise the West. 

What organisations have you never heard of?

Momentum, Socialist Workers party 🤪 when did you last hear from them? I doubt they even have a message to amplify. 

[Gordon R]

If Farage mentions immigration he becomes far right. Just how does that work. I see no mention of the far left or the loony left 

[oowee]

7 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

If Farage mentions immigration he becomes far right. Just how does that work. I see no mention of the far left or the loony left 

The far left and the loony left are of no interest to Putin. Russia only want to amplify a narrative that suits there purposes. Anything that amplify's an issue in the West. Unfortunately many take on board the propaganda.