Penelope Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 42 minutes ago, oowee said: What is sad is having raped, plundered and pillaged our way across the world, led the world through the industrial revolution, had a good chunk of oil and gas reserves, that we now have so little to show for it. You can thank a cetrain Mr A. Hitler and Mr E. Hirohito for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 3 minutes ago, Penelope said: You can thank a cetrain Mr A. Hitler and Mr E. Hirohito for that. Sorry to be argumentative but it's possibly about vacuous politicians not being up to the task? We only plundered the world historically as did all of our famed European neighbours? Try getting a euro out of France? The only thing they give away is the passengers on rubber boats? I don't doubt for one minute that our uncivilised servants are plotting to give away via the back doors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 27 minutes ago, old man said: Sorry to be argumentative but it's possibly about vacuous politicians not being up to the task? We only plundered the world historically as did all of our famed European neighbours? Try getting a euro out of France? The only thing they give away is the passengers on rubber boats? I don't doubt for one minute that our uncivilised servants are plotting to give away via the back doors? No, we lost our empire after WWII, because of WWII. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red696 Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 No reparation without repatriation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 12 minutes ago, Red696 said: No reparation without repatriation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 At the beginning of the thread I asked who would pay this theoretical reparation, and who would be paid ? Ive watched and listened to the arguments for over 20 years, and this is the conundrum that no one seems to want to answer. Would it be a one off payment to whatever countries won a successful claim that they were victims of slavery ? Or payments to individuals who could claim an ancestral victim(s) of being made a slave by the UK ? Would said individuals themselves have to contribute towards their own perceived 'injury' payment ? The UK banned slavery 200 years ago, we are talking AT LEAST 7, more like 10 generations where the original act occurred, with much mixing of races ect. would we have to determine pay outs on the basis of DNA ? If the country receives the payout, how would that be spent ? Would the countries government use it for the benefit of its people? We need to define what reparation means, before the question even arises about whether its owed or not. 34 minutes ago, Red696 said: No reparation without repatriation Who gets the reparation, and who needs repatriating ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 1 hour ago, Penelope said: You can thank a cetrain Mr A. Hitler and Mr E. Hirohito for that. ? I don't think so. Have you been to Germany? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 Can we please, please put the oil and gas reserves question to bed. If we're talking about a Norwegian style sovereign wealth fund, then you should know that the reason Norway could sell off its gas is that they had very little need for it domestically. Their terrain permits hydro electricity, and heating can be done with wood. It's also strange that those who bang on about the oil and gas squandered opportunity are the same people who are vehemently opposed to us actually using our reserves of oil and gas. Usually it would, in fact, be better for the planet if we did, but nuances such as the laws of thermodynamics are seemingly lost on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 World War I The Reparation Commission set the final bill at 132 billion gold marks, which is approximately $31.5 billion. Germany paid the reparations in installments until 1984. World War II Germany paid the Allies $23 billion in reparations, mainly in machinery and manufacturing plants. Germany also paid reparations to the Jewish Claims Conference and the World Jewish Congress to compensate Holocaust victims. As of 2022, Germany has paid a total of about 82 billion euros in reparations. Germany also pays around 1.44 billion euros each year for the pension and care costs of Nazi victims. In addition to monetary reparations, Germany also paid reparations in other ways, including: Forced labor: Germany used approximately 4 million German POWs and civilians as forced labor in Europe, Canada, and the United States. Loss of territories: Germany lost all territories gained by the Nazi party. Seizure of intellectual property: The Allies took top scientists and literature to Britain and the United States. The debts for Germany and Japan over the world wars effectively bankrupted the countries, but by the use of further economic loans and aid, they rapidly rebuilt, thrived, and became economic powerhouses. The UK with its war debt for assisting the demise of said belligerents, remained mired in debt for decades. The present estimate for slavery reparations would utterly cripple the country, if it were even feasible (which it is not) Last year, a report by Patrick Robinson, a leading judge at the International Court of Justice, said Britain should pay for its involvement in slavery in 14 countries and estimated the payout at about £18.8 trillion. Said judge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 1 hour ago, Rewulf said: At the beginning of the thread I asked who would pay this theoretical reparation, and who would be paid ? Ive watched and listened to the arguments for over 20 years, and this is the conundrum that no one seems to want to answer. Would it be a one off payment to whatever countries won a successful claim that they were victims of slavery ? Or payments to individuals who could claim an ancestral victim(s) of being made a slave by the UK ? Would said individuals themselves have to contribute towards their own perceived 'injury' payment ? The UK banned slavery 200 years ago, we are talking AT LEAST 7, more like 10 generations where the original act occurred, with much mixing of races ect. would we have to determine pay outs on the basis of DNA ? If the country receives the payout, how would that be spent ? Would the countries government use it for the benefit of its people? We need to define what reparation means, before the question even arises about whether its owed or not. Who gets the reparation, and who needs repatriating ? I don't think we should even ask the questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 4 minutes ago, oowee said: I don't think we should even ask the questions. I agree, but they are asking the broad question of whether we should pay it. But no one wants to expand on how it would theoretically be paid, and to who. This Samoa conference is going to be very painful methinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 (edited) 1 hour ago, oowee said: ? I don't think so. Have you been to Germany? We have nothing to show, because we spent it or lost it as consequence of sorting out the guys with little mustaches. If it wasn't for those two chappies, the sun might still not be setting on the pink. Edited October 25 by Penelope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 28 minutes ago, Penelope said: We have nothing to show, because we spent it or lost it as consequence of sorting out the guys with little mustaches. If it wasn't for those two chappies, the sun might still not be setting on the pink. The same could be said for Germany who also paid reparations, look how sorted it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 more case of nothing to show because fools and their money are easily parted and you lot won’t stop electing them! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 clangerman - I wasn't aware that you had a record who who Pigeonwatch members voted for. If you don't, your comment looks a bit silly. No change there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 30 minutes ago, Gordon R said: clangerman - I wasn't aware that you had a record who who Pigeonwatch members voted for. If you don't, your comment looks a bit silly. No change there. your persistence attempts to woo me are wasted I’m not gay! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 I rest my case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 3 hours ago, clangerman said: more case of nothing to show because fools and their money are easily parted and you lot won’t stop electing them! lol So who should we vote for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 How do you make reparations to people who are dead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 Where does it end. Repatriations for the peasants who had the land of the uk stolen? Do we down everything and share it out across every person around the globe, after all, we're one human race with artificial lines separating constructs called countries. Once that's done, what happens when a new person is born. Absolutely mental! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said: So who should we vote for? take your pick the system is only geared to offer same self serving rats who won’t permit anything to upset their trough just look at the riots swift action harsh sentences we are all now trapped in a police state with no way out but don’t let that stop you voting reform next it’s what hard lessons are for! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 21 minutes ago, clangerman said: take your pick the system is only geared to offer same self serving rats who won’t permit anything to upset their trough just look at the riots swift action harsh sentences we are all now trapped in a police state with no way out but don’t let that stop you voting reform next it’s what hard lessons are for! So your saying just don't vote? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 12 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: So your saying just don't vote? would get a long holiday for saying what we should do already had my solution removed once! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 1 hour ago, clangerman said: would get a long holiday for saying what we should do already had my solution removed once! lol Sorry but I'm clueless as to what your getting at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 2 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: Sorry but I'm clueless as to what your getting at. If you know you know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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