Terrorist attack - Germany.

[old'un]

11 minutes ago, Mungler said:

No one should be discussing gaps in bollards - that’s an extension of victim blaming and is a distraction.

I am sure the authorities in Germany will be asking how and why this happened.

[Goly]

23 minutes ago, Mungler said:

No one should be discussing gaps in bollards - that’s an extension of victim blaming and is a distraction.

What should we be discussing though, the man is clearly mentally unstable, how can you protect against that?

Edited 5 hours ago by Goly

[Bigbob]

Saw the videos on THL there saying they have arrested 3 young men as well 

[Mungler]

28 minutes ago, Goly said:

What should we be discussing though, the man is clearly mentally unstable, how can you protect against that?

Quite. One man’s mental instability is another’s ideology. Ah the battle of the sky fairies. 

Amazed that the reports are now coming in that he was an AFD party supporter. They can’t release his name, but they can release how they think he voted.

 

4 minutes ago, Bigbob said:

Saw the videos on THL there saying they have arrested 3 young men as well 

No doubt they were also mentally unstable…

Edited 5 hours ago by Mungler

[Bigbob]

Apparently the driver was a doctor in german since the 2000s 

[old'un]

Well according to this he does not fit the normal profile of an Islamist terrorist...https://www.euronews.com/2024/12/21/who-is-the-suspect-behind-magdeburg-christmas-market-attack

[12gauge82]

3 hours ago, JKD said:

Another awful event from a 'hidden' attacker. All Xmas markets there are protected with concrete barriers, after the previous attack the other year when 12 died. Unfortunately, there was a car-width gap in these barriers where he got through.

Shocking but unstoppable, but also preventable re barrier placement ?

I'd go back further than an ineffective barrier and properly control immigration to help prevent radical islamist threats arriving to the West in the first place. 

[Goly]

24 minutes ago, Mungler said:

Quite. One man’s mental instability is another’s ideology. Ah the battle of the sky fairies. 

Amazed that the reports are now coming in that he was an AFD party supporter. They can’t release his name, but they can release how they think he voted.

 

No doubt they were also mentally unstable…

Of course he's unstable, by very definition you have to be mentally unstable to carry out such an act. He's been a practicing doctor since 2006, facts like that don't fit the narrative I suppose.

[12gauge82]

3 hours ago, Goly said:

If that's the case that is plain negligence, I mean why on earth would you leave a cars width when the barriers are there to stop vehicles.

Why allow an uncontrolled flow of people into the UK, a minority of which hate us and our way of life and pose a huge threat. 

55 minutes ago, Goly said:

What should we be discussing though, the man is clearly mentally unstable, how can you protect against that?

By not importing people with extreme views into your country in the first place. 

3 hours ago, old'un said:

 

Makes you wonder how many sleepers are in the UK.

Threat is assessed using intent and capabilitiy. There will be tens of thousands living in the UK who want to make an attack and have intent, thankfully a much smaller number have the necessary capability. 

[Goly]

2 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

Why allow an uncontrolled flow of people into the UK, a minority of which hate us and our way of life and pose a huge threat. 

By not importing people with extreme views into your country in the first place. 

It wasn't in the UK, and the fact that he was a practising doctor for almost 20 years points towards an atypical attack. As for extreme views, people from all walks of life have them, remember the IRA attacks, what about the Norwegian terrorist a few years back?

[Mungler]

25 minutes ago, Goly said:

Of course he's unstable, by very definition you have to be mentally unstable to carry out such an act. He's been a practicing doctor since 2006, facts like that don't fit the narrative I suppose.

 

20 minutes ago, Goly said:

It wasn't in the UK, and the fact that he was a practising doctor for almost 20 years points towards an atypical attack. As for extreme views, people from all walks of life have them, remember the IRA attacks, what about the Norwegian terrorist a few years back?

Well, if there were warnings then it’s not exactly out of the blue.

We’ll see what gets filtered out in the media over the coming days, but the speed at which the German authorities are however apparently able to place the unnamed suspect into a ‘far right’ category is interesting to say the least. 
 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Mungler

[Goly]

6 minutes ago, Mungler said:

 

Well, if there were warnings then it’s not exactly out of the blue.

We’ll see what gets filtered out in the media over the coming days, but the speed at which the German authorities are however apparently able to place the unnamed suspect into a ‘far right’ category is interesting to say the least. 
 

 

If that is true then the people killed have been failed, but the point stands, you have to be mentally unstable to plough down dozens of innocent people. I hope the man doesn't see the light of day again, mentally unstable or not.

[JKD]

43 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

I'd go back further than an ineffective barrier and properly control immigration to help prevent radical islamist threats arriving to the West in the first place. 

If only that were possible eh ?! 😕

[clangerman]

7 minutes ago, Goly said:

If that is true then the people killed have been failed, but the point stands, you have to be mentally unstable to plough down dozens of innocent people. I hope the man doesn't see the light of day again, mentally unstable or not.

once the word terrorist appears any facts or rational thinking are a lost cause! 

[Rewulf]

14 minutes ago, Goly said:

If that is true

Its been reported, why would it not be true ?

 

15 minutes ago, Goly said:

you have to be mentally unstable to plough down dozens of innocent people

If everyone who killed someone was mentally unstable, then they are all innocent by reason of insanity ?

[JKD]

The figures now are 5 dead and 200+ injured. ☹️

[Goly]

5 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Its been reported, why would it not be true ?

 

If everyone who killed someone was mentally unstable, then they are all innocent by reason of insanity ?

No, they are not innocent, they are still murderers, but they mentally unwell or evil, unless you're suggesting that it's normal behaviour? 

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello, On the latest news there was a mention Angela Merkel letting in 1 Million Refugees, I wonder how many German citizens now think this was a bad idea ??

[Rewulf]

2 minutes ago, Goly said:

No, they are not innocent, they are still murderers, but they mentally unwell or evil, unless you're suggesting that it's normal behaviour? 

2 minutes ago, Goly said:

 

Being mentally unstable, or, a random murderer, is not 'normal' by anyones rationale, why would I suggest that ?

The problem is , some people go straight for the insanity option when it comes to atrocities like this, and thats not going to wash .

[Mungler]

3 minutes ago, Goly said:

No, they are not innocent, they are still murderers, but they mentally unwell or evil, unless you're suggesting that it's normal behaviour? 

Are you are suggesting that anyone who does anything wrong or heinous must have a medical condition? That’s a massive pass right there.

What if someone knew what they were doing, planned it and were really intent on doing it? What if it was in their culture or belief system?

[Goly]

Just now, Rewulf said:

Being mentally unstable, or, a random murderer, is not 'normal' by anyones rationale, why would I suggest that ?

The problem is , some people go straight for the insanity option when it comes to atrocities like this, and thats not going to wash .

No, mentally unstable or not, he should be punished for his actions. It's looking like it was politically motivated, so, how do you suggest we combat that?

1 minute ago, Mungler said:

Are you are suggesting that anyone who does anything wrong or heinous must have a medical condition? That’s a massive pass right there.

What if someone knew what they were doing, planned it and were really intent on doing it? What if it was in their culture or belief system?

See above.

And what if? How can you combat political or religious terrorists without unfairly targeting law abiding citizens?

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Taleb Al Abdulmohsen, the man accused of driving a car through the Christmas market in Germany appeared on the BBC in 2019. He claims to be an activist that brings migrants into Germany. 

Originally it was said he was a Doctor and maybe a psychiatrist.

[B686]

Not everyone who does something like that is mental , some people are just nasty ******** through and through with no regard for others . Seems strange though that anything that happens that is most likely terror related in the last couple of years the press or whoever do their best to find a reason for it not to be terror related. But funny how it’s mostly white non Muslims getting killed in similar ways. I’m no conspiracy theorist but makes you wonder sometimes.

3 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Taleb Al Abdulmohsen, the man accused of driving a car through the Christmas market in Germany appeared on the BBC in 2019. He claims to be an activist that brings migrants into Germany. 

Originally it was said he was a Doctor and maybe a psychiatrist.

Wonder who he’s been bringing into Germany then ?

[Goly]

5 minutes ago, B686 said:

Not everyone who does something like that is mental , some people are just nasty ******** through and through with no regard for others . Seems strange though that anything that happens that is most likely terror related in the last couple of years the press or whoever do their best to find a reason for it not to be terror related. But funny how it’s mostly white non Muslims getting killed in similar ways. I’m no conspiracy theorist but makes you wonder sometimes.

It is no different to what the IRA were doing and are still doing to this day, people are just obsessed with the perpetrators ethnic background. If people can give a solution that doesn't unfairly punish law abiding citizens then I'd be happy to hear it.

Edited 3 hours ago by Goly
Typo.

[Rewulf]

15 minutes ago, Goly said:

And what if? How can you combat political or religious terrorists without unfairly targeting law abiding citizens?

Identify. Arrest. Deport.

Im sick of hearing about terrorist incidents, then finding out they were 'known' to authorities.