National campaign launched to tackle firearm certificate fraud

[Conor O'Gorman]

In response to a surge in firearm certificate fraud, the National Crime Agency (NCA) has launched a campaign under Project RUTIC to prevent the illegal acquisition of firearms and ammunition.

The NCA campaign focuses on educating firearm and shotgun certificate holders about key security measures during private firearms transfers. 

Click the weblink below for more details:

https://basc.org.uk/firearm-certificate-fraud-campaign/

 

[Scully]

26 minutes ago, Conor O'Gorman said:

In response to a surge in firearm certificate fraud, the National Crime Agency (NCA) has launched a campaign under Project RUTIC to prevent the illegal acquisition of firearms and ammunition.

The NCA campaign focuses on educating firearm and shotgun certificate holders about key security measures during private firearms transfers. 

Click the weblink below for more details:

https://basc.org.uk/firearm-certificate-fraud-campaign/

 

Where can we view the numbers regarding this ‘surge in firearm certificate fraud’, and how and where from are criminals obtaining blank fake tickets? 

[Scully]

Have had a look on two relevant sections of NCA sites regarding NCA statements. It wasn’t an exhaustive search admittedly, but below is the only reference I can find regarding fake tickets. Can find no figures. 

[clangerman]

you can make a mountain from a molehill with the right words lol 

[Rim Fire]

This is my argument with our local firearms office they insist you have to post your certificate it's only a matter of time where one will get lost in the post then then its possible some low life will have their hands on a real certificate 

[matone]

Probably a precursor to stopping private transactions as in USA thus requiring use of RFD ........

[Conor O'Gorman]

13 hours ago, Scully said:

Where can we view the numbers regarding this ‘surge in firearm certificate fraud’, and how and where from are criminals obtaining blank fake tickets? 

The NCA has not published any numbers.

[old'un]

41 minutes ago, Conor O'Gorman said:

The NCA has not published any numbers.

So they say a surge in numbers but they cannot put a number on it, I think that if it was happening it would be all over shooting related forums, anyone had it happen to them?

 

[Scully]

2 hours ago, Conor O'Gorman said:

The NCA has not published any numbers.

That’s very convenient…..for them. While it always pays to be vigilant, I think I’ll remain sceptical it’s actually happening let alone a ‘surge’, until they do. 
As Old’un says above, if it was actually happening we would have heard about it. 
Let’s not forget it is the policy of licensing authorities to insist legitimate shooters send their tickets to complete strangers to complete none trade transactions. Just a thought. 

[clangerman]

32 minutes ago, Scully said:

That’s very convenient…..for them. While it always pays to be vigilant, I think I’ll remain sceptical it’s actually happening let alone a ‘surge’, until they do. 
As Old’un says above, if it was actually happening we would have heard about it. 
Let’s not forget it is the policy of licensing authorities to insist legitimate shooters send their tickets to complete strangers to complete none trade transactions. Just a thought. 

your right to be suspicious nobody can even confirm an attempt let alone a successful one at best scaremongering at worse the police are up to something 

[Conor O'Gorman]

2 hours ago, Scully said:

That’s very convenient…..for them. While it always pays to be vigilant, I think I’ll remain sceptical it’s actually happening let alone a ‘surge’, until they do. 
As Old’un says above, if it was actually happening we would have heard about it. 
 

Well, in that case perhaps you could contact the NCA and challenge them on the basis of your intelligence sources... Merry Christmas!

Edited yesterday at 15:16 by Conor O'Gorman

[Scully]

10 minutes ago, Conor O'Gorman said:

Well, in that case perhaps you could contact the NCA and challenge them on the basis of your intelligence sources... Merry Christmas!

Will do!  Although you would think the ‘voice of shooting’ would have verified any claims before posting. 

I’ll let you know how I get on. 👍
Merry Christmas. 

[old'un]

8 minutes ago, Conor O'Gorman said:

Well, in that case perhaps you could contact the NCA and challenge them on the basis of your intelligence sources... Merry Christmas!

Come on Conor O'Gorman, they cannot make claims like that without some figures to back it up and the first thing I would have expected was BASC to challenge it.

[matone]

Exactly ! Smells fishy .

[Conor O'Gorman]

48 minutes ago, old'un said:

Come on Conor O'Gorman, they cannot make claims like that without some figures to back it up and the first thing I would have expected was BASC to challenge it.

BASC is raising awareness of the NCA campaign.

https://basc.org.uk/firearm-certificate-fraud-campaign/

 

[old'un]

Just now, Conor O'Gorman said:

BASC is raising awareness of the NCA campaign.

https://basc.org.uk/firearm-certificate-fraud-campaign/

 

I am fully aware of what BASC is doing but you stated it was In response to a surge in firearm certificate fraud, its meaningless without figures.

[clangerman]

10 minutes ago, Conor O'Gorman said:

BASC is raising awareness of the NCA campaign.

https://basc.org.uk/firearm-certificate-fraud-campaign/

 

and expect someone ELSE to check the claims are correct when BASC are the ones posting them! 

[Conor O'Gorman]

3 hours ago, old'un said:

I am fully aware of what BASC is doing but you stated it was In response to a surge in firearm certificate fraud, its meaningless without figures.

Would you prefer "an increasing number..." rather than "surge"?

[Mungler]

All very odd.

I don’t think I’ve ever sold a gun to someone who I either didn’t already know or who knew someone else I knew.

And a check of the news suggests gun crime is not with 2 barrelled shotguns or bolt action rifles. 

Edited 22 hours ago by Mungler

[Gordon R]

Disappointed with BASC on this one.

Passing on the information with what is described as a surge seems a bit pointless without context. If it had happened once and then happened again that could make headlines such as "Licence fraud doubled".

Also disappointed that BASC suggest others check the scale of what they brought to our attention.

I rarely agree with clangerman, but he is on the money this time.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Whilst not a "non Story", without some figures to support the statement it is all rather wishy washy.

 

I would have hoped that BASC would have raised the points that have been listed by the PW Members above before they just passed the story on.

 

Come on BASC, you can and MUST do better.

[oldypigeonpopper]

On 24/12/2024 at 07:36, Rim Fire said:

This is my argument with our local firearms office they insist you have to post your certificate it's only a matter of time where one will get lost in the post then then its possible some low life will have their hands on a real certificate 

Hello, I was told by TVP to send signed for ??

[Old farrier]

To be honest all this could be avoided by a slight change in the rules 

allow the rfd to do it as had been done ( wrongly 🤔🙄) for years or face to face only totally eliminate the risk involved with posting a certificate

Wondering just how many times this has happened to create such a surge 

just my thoughts 

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[Mungler]

Easiest way is to insist on passport being produced with FAC / SGC.

I remember with my first SGC many years ago now, the photo wasn’t laminated stuck onto the certificate - 2 minutes under the kettle and the photo of me could have been easily lifted off and replaced with another. 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

21 minutes ago, Mungler said:

Easiest way is to insist on passport being produced with FAC / SGC.

I remember with my first SGC many years ago now, the photo wasn’t laminated stuck onto the certificate - 2 minutes under the kettle and the photo of me could have been easily lifted off and replaced with another. 

But not everyone has a passport.