secret-squirrel Posted Sunday at 16:15 Report Share Posted Sunday at 16:15 (edited) Im almost 100% I’m correct , and im sure this is a very easy question to answer for anyone other than me at this moment in time . but now I have over thought it , My brains scrambled So. 4-16 magnification scope ….. I sight in zero on 14x zoom at 25m range Then move to 20m . . now here’s the actual question ….. it should hold zero on all magnifications , correct ? . So 4x all the way up . yes it’s harder to put pellet on pellet on 4x zoom rather that 10x but it should be within a 20p at that 20m distance . edit : I have checked mounts are tight there’s no movement anywhere … this is my issue … (all numbers on the picture is the magnification. I shot 2 pellets at each zoom ) Cheers 🍻 a very scrambled 🐿️ Edited Sunday at 23:18 by secret-squirrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted Sunday at 16:48 Report Share Posted Sunday at 16:48 Two possible issues or reasons why, 1st. Unfortunately some low cost scopes the zero will shift due to altering the mag. 2nd The higher being the magnification of the scope will also magnify's your movement, ie breathing, heart beat and basically every other movement you make. 3rd would be all fixing are tight, you have checked those. To check zero shift while changing mag, if you have access to one is to put in a work bench type clamp, look at your target at "X" range while altering the mag and see if it moves. (the rifle of course needs to be rock solid in the clamp) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted Sunday at 17:08 Report Share Posted Sunday at 17:08 48 minutes ago, secret-squirrel said: So. 4-16 scope ….. 20m target . I sight in zero on 14x zoom at 25m move back to 20m . What make is the scope? Most are true at 10x so I'll normally zero on that. Why is the zoom? At 25, that's your parallax. Are you shooting comfortably off a bag, what's the gun. Shooting at 20mtrs should be easy, unless your shooting a springer after four coffees. Draw out some crosses, mark them up 4,6----12,14,16 then shoot three shots at each cross. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted Sunday at 17:16 Report Share Posted Sunday at 17:16 interesting thread.........i hope it contines with a result Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted Sunday at 17:22 Report Share Posted Sunday at 17:22 Hello, The Magnification is to high to zero as once you do at 14 X the POI will shift when you reduce magnification , Best to start at that distance on a low Mag and then go higher and use the scope scales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secret-squirrel Posted Sunday at 17:23 Author Report Share Posted Sunday at 17:23 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Mice! said: What make is the scope? Most are true at 10x so I'll normally zero on that. Why is the zoom? At 25, that's your parallax. Are you shooting comfortably off a bag, what's the gun. Shooting at 20mtrs should be easy, unless your shooting a springer after four coffees. Draw out some crosses, mark them up 4,6----12,14,16 then shoot three shots at each cross. Evening mice . Thanks for your reply not my first rodeo been shooting for 15 years Iv just had a moment . the gun is a fully tuned and regulated bsa ultra . firing within 7 fps . Can put pellet on pellet at 14x mag at 30m no probs (now Iv found the pellets it likes ) but as soon a I changed the mag it went to sh*% guns Sat on a set of sandbags while I’m sat in my greenhouse on a bloody lovely comfy chair . Fully enclosed 30m range . no wind scope is a Hawke vantage sf ir 4-16 so roughly £250 of scope . just purchased yesterday 2nd hand . Iv just swapped it from my hawke varmint . if I got groups like that from 20m stood with my gun shouldered I would quit shooting 😂 parallax set to the correct distance . cheers ss 🐿️ 10 minutes ago, ditchman said: interesting thread.........i hope it contines with a result Purchased the scope 2nd hand yesterday although it’s in fantastic basically new condition once I found this out Im now thinking it might off been dropped or knocked in its life and may be internally poorly 🙈 🐿️🐿️ 3 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, The Magnification is to high to zero as once you do at 14 X the POI will shift when you reduce magnification , Best to start at that distance on a low Mag and then go higher and use the scope scales After the kids are in bed I will get myself back out there and get it re zero’d . I have max of 30m . What distance and what mag would you reckoned to be neutral ? cheers ss 🐿️ Edited Sunday at 17:27 by secret-squirrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secret-squirrel Posted Sunday at 17:30 Author Report Share Posted Sunday at 17:30 39 minutes ago, Dougy said: Two possible issues or reasons why, 1st. Unfortunately some low cost scopes the zero will shift due to altering the mag. 2nd The higher being the magnification of the scope will also magnify's your movement, ie breathing, heart beat and basically every other movement you make. 3rd would be all fixing are tight, you have checked those. To check zero shift while changing mag, if you have access to one is to put in a work bench type clamp, look at your target at "X" range while altering the mag and see if it moves. (the rifle of course needs to be rock solid in the clamp) Evening dougy It’s not an extremely expensive scope but at over £250 new it’s not a budget option either . hawke vantage 4-16 sf . but this one is 2nd hand but excellent condition . . my hawke varmint can be at 2.5 and 10 x and still hit pellet on pellet …. Within reason like you say . My movements being the biggest factor . cheers ss 🐿️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted Sunday at 17:40 Report Share Posted Sunday at 17:40 From reading all that I'd say it can only be the scope, it can't be tracking right. The good thing with Hawke is the no quibble warranty so I'd give them a call or email and see what they say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted Sunday at 17:41 Report Share Posted Sunday at 17:41 (edited) 23 minutes ago, secret-squirrel said: Evening mice . Thanks for your reply not my first rodeo been shooting for 15 years Iv just had a moment . the gun is a fully tuned and regulated bsa ultra . firing within 7 fps . Can put pellet on pellet at 14x mag at 30m no probs (now Iv found the pellets it likes ) but as soon a I changed the mag it went to sh*% guns Sat on a set of sandbags while I’m sat in my greenhouse on a bloody lovely comfy chair . Fully enclosed 30m range . no wind scope is a Hawke vantage sf ir 4-16 so roughly £250 of scope . just purchased yesterday 2nd hand . Iv just swapped it from my hawke varmint . if I got groups like that from 20m stood with my gun shouldered I would quit shooting 😂 parallax set to the correct distance . cheers ss 🐿️ Purchased the scope 2nd hand yesterday although it’s in fantastic basically new condition once I found this out Im now thinking it might off been dropped or knocked in its life and may be internally poorly 🙈 🐿️🐿️ After the kids are in bed I will get myself back out there and get it re zero’d . I have max of 30m . What distance and what mag would you reckoned to be neutral ? cheers ss 🐿️ Hello, When i did my Ratting PCP scope i zero at 25 yards on 6/8 Mag then use the Scope Reticle Crosshair to get the POI on 20/30 yard Edited Sunday at 17:48 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted Sunday at 18:10 Report Share Posted Sunday at 18:10 If you have a scope you trust, fit it to this same gun and repeat your test. That should tell you if it is the newer scope. Simples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted Sunday at 18:40 Report Share Posted Sunday at 18:40 29 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: If you have a scope you trust, fit it to this same gun and repeat your test. That should tell you if it is the newer scope. Simples. He's just taken a scope off to change for this one, do keep up 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted Sunday at 19:05 Report Share Posted Sunday at 19:05 Cannot be anything other than dodgy scope, use it at a set range or simply bin it. So many decent scopes out there for little money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secret-squirrel Posted Sunday at 20:01 Author Report Share Posted Sunday at 20:01 54 minutes ago, bruno22rf said: Cannot be anything other than dodgy scope, use it at a set range or simply bin it. So many decent scopes out there for little money. This post was made earlier while I was sad having a brain **** in the greenhouse . Now I’m unscrambled and have sat and had some food it’s obviously the scope . Just bought it yesterday , 2nd hand off here 😂. £260 new so not like a budget Amazon 4x32 . someone mentioned hawke lifetime warranty . . Wish me luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted Sunday at 20:29 Report Share Posted Sunday at 20:29 (edited) 3 hours ago, secret-squirrel said: Fully enclosed 30m range . no wind scope is a Hawke vantage sf ir 4-16 so roughly £250 of scope . just purchased yesterday 2nd hand There's the answer. Either that or your mounts aren't adequately "done up" enough. The test for that would be after firing some shots at the same distance at 4x to dial that 14x up again and see if the zero goes back to pellet on pellet from the earlier group shot using 14x. If it does then the only answer is, yes, it's likely the 'scope. Edited Sunday at 20:32 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted Sunday at 20:35 Report Share Posted Sunday at 20:35 33 minutes ago, secret-squirrel said: someone mentioned hawke lifetime warranty . . Wish me luck You'll be fine 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted Sunday at 21:53 Report Share Posted Sunday at 21:53 1 hour ago, secret-squirrel said: This post was made earlier while I was sad having a brain **** in the greenhouse . Now I’m unscrambled and have sat and had some food it’s obviously the scope . Just bought it yesterday , 2nd hand off here 😂. £260 new so not like a budget Amazon 4x32 . someone mentioned hawke lifetime warranty . . Wish me luck Hello, Who did you buy it from if off PW ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snarepeg Posted Sunday at 22:15 Report Share Posted Sunday at 22:15 So does it only do it with one mag, and not the other? Stick to same mag it could be a bad feed from magazine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secret-squirrel Posted Sunday at 22:36 Author Report Share Posted Sunday at 22:36 16 minutes ago, snarepeg said: So does it only do it with one mag, and not the other? Stick to same mag it could be a bad feed from magazine. I have 4 mags that I rotate . All mags work faultlessly and the gun shot faultlessly this morning with my other scope . . In fact the gun shot fantastic at 16 x 14x and 12x zoom . Went to 💩 at 10 and under . 42 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, Who did you buy it from if off PW ?? An absolutely genuine bloke . Im not going to out him on here as I absolutely 100% believe he had no ideas about this. I think I will do more assessment on it tomorrow if weather permits . Take it off , re mount it and zero it on 10 x mag and go from there 2 hours ago, enfieldspares said: There's the answer. Either that or your mounts aren't adequately "done up" enough. The test for that would be after firing some shots at the same distance at 4x to dial that 14x up again and see if the zero goes back to pellet on pellet from the earlier group shot using 14x. If it does then the only answer is, yes, it's likely the 'scope. Yes I think you’re correct . As Iv just said on another reply . Weather permitting tomorrow I will remove scope check it all over and start the process again . With. New zero on lower mag . ss 🐿️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseplant Posted yesterday at 00:42 Report Share Posted yesterday at 00:42 If it hasn't been said already, POI will vary with magnification on a BDC or similar reticle. Not the main cross hair, but at the subtension marks. Doesn't sound like that is the problem here, but thought I'd mention it just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted yesterday at 07:29 Report Share Posted yesterday at 07:29 13 hours ago, secret-squirrel said: Evening dougy It’s not an extremely expensive scope but at over £250 new it’s not a budget option either . hawke vantage 4-16 sf . but this one is 2nd hand but excellent condition . . my hawke varmint can be at 2.5 and 10 x and still hit pellet on pellet …. Within reason like you say . My movements being the biggest factor . cheers ss 🐿️ Hello, I have the same Hawke scope in 50mm glass , Never had a problem getting zero to 25 yards, Are you trying to zero with your N/V add on, ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant.mass Posted yesterday at 09:22 Report Share Posted yesterday at 09:22 do you have another gun you can try it on or mate that will try out on his gun for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nublue 22 Posted yesterday at 09:56 Report Share Posted yesterday at 09:56 Yes most interesting everything I touch lately shots off, good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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