Mungler Posted Monday at 22:38 Report Share Posted Monday at 22:38 Out of all the grim news today it was this article that made my blood run cold. So where on the planet to run and hide? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted Monday at 22:42 Report Share Posted Monday at 22:42 They won't make it across. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted Monday at 22:48 Report Share Posted Monday at 22:48 sorry cant see it happening.....China have far to much to lose......they have been watching Russia ......what else do you do when you have a £trillion trade surplus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted Tuesday at 00:45 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 00:45 Interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted Tuesday at 05:15 Author Report Share Posted Tuesday at 05:15 (edited) 6 hours ago, ditchman said: sorry cant see it happening.....China have far to much to lose......they have been watching Russia ......what else do you do when you have a £trillion trade surplus An attempt on a well defended island that is intent on not becoming part of China does appear to me to be ‘not worth it. But looking at Ukraine and the cost benefit to Russia, we are reminded that anything can happen. History has shown us that those in charge over us like a national common enemy in difficult times, and if things falter for the Chinese communist party, the economy or the man in charge then nothing holds it together like a war. Incidentally, Ukraine showed us that as long as no one reaches for the nukes then its traditional warfare and stocks of men and basic munitions is what you need more on than the other side, and China has way more of everything and the industrial capacity to build machines of war. . Edited Tuesday at 05:16 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted Tuesday at 06:45 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 06:45 The only way that that "assault ship" could be 'amphibious' is if it got close to shore and the tide went out 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted Tuesday at 06:49 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 06:49 Well you see, the Chinese are extremely clever and their "secret plan" is to sail it straight in to the Taiwanese dry dock and unload it there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted Tuesday at 06:50 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 06:50 Just now, TIGHTCHOKE said: Well you see, the Chinese are extremely clever and their "secret plan" is to sail it straight in to the Taiwanese dry dock and unload it there. Or up a tidal creek ? 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted Tuesday at 07:22 Author Report Share Posted Tuesday at 07:22 (edited) 53 minutes ago, JKD said: The only way that that "assault ship" could be 'amphibious' is if it got close to shore and the tide went out 🙄 The article suggests they run them a ground and use them as a platform / bridge to unload from other vessels. For the Chinese easy, cheap and quick to knock up in a couple of months. Indeed, I can’t see any other purpose for building these. Edited Tuesday at 07:39 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted Tuesday at 08:04 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 08:04 I'm sure they'll have a go at some point. Either way the West needs to vastly increase it's defence budget. We seem to very quickly forget the lessons of the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murray smith Posted Tuesday at 08:09 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 08:09 They arent barges, landing barges are flat bottomed, its propaganda as that deep water hull form wont work in shallow water. Chinese can shut down Taiwan in v short order by sanctioning Semi-conductor raw materials anyway, and as for beating the US as they cross 4000 miles of the Pacific, its not like the Chinese wont see them coming is it, so not really a problem with hypersonic missiles/Carrier killers. Anyhow the US is a maritime power, notoriously sensitive to casualties, China has a massive and well eqipped groundforce with minimal sensitivity wrt casualties, so what would happen to the US Army if it did get ashore? After 22 years in MoD, which has qualified me in detecting political BS when I see/hear it, I am more worried about the disapearance/capability of the British Army/Navy and RAF and the future effects of Rachell Reeves and Granny harmer on our armed forces........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted Tuesday at 08:14 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 08:14 They are type 076 helicopter assault ships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyefor Posted Tuesday at 08:22 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 08:22 Surely the Chinese response to US would be - we wont' bitch when you take Greenland & you don't bitch when we take Taiwan? Who else is capable of effectively stopping either? We certainly are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted Tuesday at 08:47 Author Report Share Posted Tuesday at 08:47 (edited) 39 minutes ago, murray smith said: They arent barges, landing barges are flat bottomed, its propaganda as that deep water hull form wont work in shallow water. Chinese can shut down Taiwan in v short order by sanctioning Semi-conductor raw materials anyway, and as for beating the US as they cross 4000 miles of the Pacific, its not like the Chinese wont see them coming is it, so not really a problem with hypersonic missiles/Carrier killers. Anyhow the US is a maritime power, notoriously sensitive to casualties, China has a massive and well eqipped groundforce with minimal sensitivity wrt casualties, so what would happen to the US Army if it did get ashore? After 22 years in MoD, which has qualified me in detecting political BS when I see/hear it, I am more worried about the disapearance/capability of the British Army/Navy and RAF and the future effects of Rachell Reeves and Granny harmer on our armed forces........ Interesting insight. Thank you. I couldn’t agree more about the critical under funding and under resourcing of our armed forces. The bigger issue however is that ‘love of country and history’ has been systematically erased from the young and getting people to join up in numbers in a conflict will be difficult. If I was under 30 and asked to fight for my country; well, I’m not too sure what my country is any more or what it stands for nor can I see a set of values or any cause promoted of any government of the last 50 years worth dying for. I suppose the next evolution will be tiers of Olympic armchair gamers running fleets of drones from their parents’ basements. . Edited Tuesday at 08:48 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted Tuesday at 08:51 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 08:51 1 hour ago, Mungler said: The article suggests they run them a ground and use them as a platform / bridge to unload from other vessels. For the Chinese easy, cheap and quick to knock up in a couple of months. Indeed, I can’t see any other purpose for building these. And these 'amphibious ships that are run aground aren't going to topple over then ? Some sort of built-in balancing system perhaps 🤔 😏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted Tuesday at 08:56 Author Report Share Posted Tuesday at 08:56 3 minutes ago, JKD said: And these 'amphibious ships that are run aground aren't going to topple over then ? Some sort of built-in balancing system perhaps 🤔 😏 The article suggests that they are big bridges only. Can’t see from the photos what the front looks like, but the article suggests that they are run aground and then hang out at sea so that other larger landing craft use it like a pontoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted Tuesday at 09:04 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 09:04 They are Helicopter Assault Ships, troops taken ashore by helicopters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted Tuesday at 09:57 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 09:57 The launch of this gigantium was over 2 weeks ago, so how come this has only just being reported on the PW NEWS BLOG ? 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B&W FOX Posted Tuesday at 13:36 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 13:36 With the size of the American military base that has been on Taiwan for year's I'm not sure China would take the risk as this spat would go nuclear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted Tuesday at 15:02 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 15:02 I thought that closed years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted Tuesday at 16:49 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 16:49 1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: I thought that closed years ago. It did, the US have very little presence in Taiwan, likely less than 100 troops, probably embassy defence and advisors. IF, China decided to invade, theres very little the US could do to stop them, they have local resources in Japan and the Philippines, but unless the announce the invasion 3 months ahead, theres no way the US could mobilise in time to prevent it, and if they tried, using carrier based assets, so close to the Chinese mainland, they would suffer significant losses. Would the US risk it, I highly doubt it, they would make a big noise, but in effect they would leave the Taiwanese to it, who would likely surrender very quickly, its a fight they just cant win. Would China do it, knowing its going to cost them in lost trade ? At this moment in time, no, BUT, things change. https://youngkim.house.gov/2024/05/28/shut-down-the-world-mccaul-warns-of-global-economic-catastrophe-if-china-invades-taiwan/#:~:text=He stressed that a full,and suburban areas%2C he suggested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B&W FOX Posted Tuesday at 16:55 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 16:55 1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: I thought that closed years ago. My mistake it's a few year's since I've been there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genghis Posted Tuesday at 17:10 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 17:10 China are forecast to surpass even the United States economically sometimes between 2030-2035. This will be the first time since the 1890’s that America have been knocked off the top spot. From the Chinese government perspective, why start a war when they already have the infrastructure to achieve dominance economically? Unlike the west, they don’t have ludicrous policies like net zero holding back their growth either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agriv8 Posted Tuesday at 21:39 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 21:39 And an ubundance of cheep coal and gas from Russia because we are not buying it ! dont worry lads trump will have it sorted when he gets back behind his desk in the oval office! Agriv8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted Tuesday at 21:43 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 21:43 2 minutes ago, Agriv8 said: And an ubundance of cheep coal and gas from Russia because we are not buying it ! dont worry lads trump will have it sorted when he gets back behind his desk in the oval office! Agriv8 To be frank , if he precipitates the end of Wokeism he deserves a medal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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