Conor O'Gorman Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 BASC has expressed serious concerns over the Wildfowl and Wetlands Trust (WWT) releasing a misleading and factually inaccurate video. The film, published today (Tuesday), is based in a fictional game restaurant and implies all game meat is poisonous. BASC considers the video to be damaging to the reputation of game shooting and food-related businesses linked to sustainable shooting. BASC is also astounded that the video can be released by an organisation whose Chief Executive – Sarah Fowler – enjoyed an evening as a guest of the sector-leading Eat Game Awards in 2024. Garry Doolan, BASC’s deputy director of communications and public affairs, said: “BASC has previously collaborated with WWT on conservation projects, and we are deeply disappointed by their decision to take this approach. This video is not only factually incorrect and misleading but also undermines the credibility of a conservation charity that positions itself as being evidence-based. “BASC considers that it is irresponsible for WWT to be dealing in rhetoric rather than concentrating on its scientific remit. The inclusion of species such as pheasants and grouse – neither of which are wetland birds – further highlights the lack of focus and accuracy in their messaging. “Rather than advancing conservation efforts, this poorly conceived attempt at humour has only served to diminish WWT’s reputation.” BASC is considering the wider implications of the video and its potential impact on the Association’s future relationship with the WWT. Watch the video here: https://x.com/WWTworldwide/status/1889264397282943403 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas seal Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 Hi Connor, the girl looks like mr Packams partners girl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 (edited) I would be more concerned of the health risk to other diners from the dog than from what the birds have been shot with. Edited February 11 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas seal Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 So far this year Wild Justice have put one article on banning lead shot and fifteen on the grouse’ industry ‘on their website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 shot Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 43 minutes ago, Gas seal said: Hi Connor, the girl looks like mr Packams partners girl. It does look like her.....chip off the ole block Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsid Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 (edited) Silly sugestion BASC make their own video showing the truth about sustainable shooting and the benifit to the food industry by using well known chefs etc that use game in their work/restuarants and show on shooting channall etc Edited February 11 by armsid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konor Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 Conor as you have been highlighting the toxicity of lead to all gamebirds that is picked up during gritting both here and more recently on the Stalking Directory forum with as yet no data to support your stance and have actively opposed the use of lead shot inland on many threads here on Pigeon Watch are you seriously surprised when the anti fieldsports lobby opts to highlight the toxicity of lead shot in game meat. Crocodile tears from the enemy within methinks. Personally I’m not astounded by Sarah Fowler’s supposed stance on the issue I am more astounded by your naivety in not realising the folly of appeasement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 2 minutes ago, Konor said: Conor as you have been highlighting the toxicity of lead to all gamebirds that is picked up during gritting both here and more recently on the Stalking Directory forum with as yet no data to support your stance and have actively opposed the use of lead shot inland on many threads here on Pigeon Watch are you seriously surprised when the anti fieldsports lobby opts to highlight the toxicity of lead shot in game meat. Crocodile tears from the enemy within methinks. Personally I’m not astounded by Sarah Fowler’s supposed stance on the issue I am more astounded by your naivety in not realising the folly of appeasement. it’s the visual reality of BASC screaming toxic toxic from the roof tops for mths on end maybe the sequel will be poor wee chicks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konor Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 (edited) 3 hours ago, Conor O'Gorman said: not only factually incorrect and misleading but also undermines the credibility of a conservation charity that positions itself as being evidence-based. Could also apply to your strongly held belief that gamebirds are wandering in minefields of lead and succumbing to lead shot poisoning with no evidence based data to support that belief , is that not equally factually incorrect and misleading and undermines your credibility? Edited February 11 by Konor Addition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 48 minutes ago, Konor said: Could also apply to your strongly held belief that gamebirds are wandering in minefields of lead and succumbing to lead shot poisoning with no evidence based data to support that belief , is that not equally factually incorrect and misleading. Yep. No doubt they will issue a survey to sort everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas seal Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 I wonder how long it took to make the film, l bet that they couldn’t stop laughing, They didn’t hold back, would you like a table with a wetland view or a woodland view, both at absolutely devoid of life. The man sat at the table in the background who dropped dead looks familiar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 Hoist by one's own petard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted February 12 Author Report Share Posted February 12 There is a longer version of the video on WWT Facebook page here: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=922002529921774 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konor Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Conor O'Gorman said: There is a longer version of the video on WWT Facebook page here: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=922002529921774 Conor as you have conceded and promoted that there is a need to completely cease the use of lead shot inland do you not find it ironic that here you are supposedly complaining about a video that ,more or less ,supports your own views. To me your thread seems suspiciously like an endorsement. Time for me to seriously consider not renewing my 40 year long membership of WAGBI/BASC .You don’t represent my views and your failure to oppose threats to our sport while playing the politician is a concern. Edited February 12 by Konor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 Surely you have a case to complain to an ombudsman of some type regarding misleading and false information if that is in fact what the video ( I don’t intend to watch it ) is showing, but I’ve often posted on the lead shot issue regarding what I believed to be the exaggerated and misleading potential dangers of lead shot in the human diet, and just as many times been criticised for it. I have also posted many times about the misleading, agenda driven methods by which the WWT has arrived at its ‘evidence’, and again been criticised for it. I’ve also warned against cosying up to those who regard us as the enemy, and find your ‘disappointment’ and astonishment at the actions of a WWT representative BASC invited for a free lunch, somewhat naive. I thought BASC was a professional organisation! What were you expecting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 (edited) The propaganda is every where. Literally coming to a cinema near you!! Dairy is Scary advert from Viva. https://viva.org.uk/cinema-ad/ Edited February 12 by Penelope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konor Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 1 hour ago, Conor O'Gorman said: There is a longer version of the video on WWT Facebook page here: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=922002529921774 If only BASC et al were equally competent at defending our sport. It’s an imaginative and amusing video that will appeal to the average undecided person in the street. Where’s our equivalent ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted February 12 Author Report Share Posted February 12 15 hours ago, armsid said: Silly sugestion BASC make their own video showing the truth about sustainable shooting and the benifit to the food industry by using well known chefs etc that use game in their work/restuarants and show on shooting channall etc Thanks, BASC does produce films of that type. Below are links to two recent ones: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted February 12 Author Report Share Posted February 12 3 hours ago, Konor said: Conor as you have conceded and promoted that there is a need to completely cease the use of lead shot inland do you not find it ironic that here you are supposedly complaining about a video that ,more or less ,supports your own views. To me your thread seems suspiciously like an endorsement. Time for me to seriously consider not renewing my 40 year long membership of WAGBI/BASC .You don’t represent my views and your failure to oppose threats to our sport while playing the politician is a concern. If you would like to discuss our respective views on this or any other shooting related topic the offer of a phone call remains open to you as a fellow longstanding member of BASC. As for BASC's position the latest update on the HSE review of lead ammunition is here: https://basc.org.uk/hse-recommendations-on-lead-restriction-proposals-explained/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 16 hours ago, Konor said: Conor as you have been highlighting the toxicity of lead to all gamebirds that is picked up during gritting both here and more recently on the Stalking Directory forum with as yet no data to support your stance and have actively opposed the use of lead shot inland on many threads here on Pigeon Watch are you seriously surprised when the anti fieldsports lobby opts to highlight the toxicity of lead shot in game meat. Crocodile tears from the enemy within methinks. Personally I’m not astounded by Sarah Fowler’s supposed stance on the issue I am more astounded by your naivety in not realising the folly of appeasement. Yep,made the ammo for them and now feigning surprise when they use it against us !!!! You could not make it all up....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas seal Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 The film I watched was on U tube. I thought it was a better film. Not far behind monty pythons parrot sketch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 A Norwegian Blue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 Just now, TIGHTCHOKE said: A Norwegian Blue? Well, in the background [of the long version] it was a NEW FOREST LOON ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 I have heard of such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted February 12 Author Report Share Posted February 12 6 hours ago, Scully said: Surely you have a case to complain to an ombudsman of some type regarding misleading and false information if that is in fact what the video ( I don’t intend to watch it ) is showing, but I’ve often posted on the lead shot issue regarding what I believed to be the exaggerated and misleading potential dangers of lead shot in the human diet, and just as many times been criticised for it. I have also posted many times about the misleading, agenda driven methods by which the WWT has arrived at its ‘evidence’, and again been criticised for it. I’ve also warned against cosying up to those who regard us as the enemy, and find your ‘disappointment’ and astonishment at the actions of a WWT representative BASC invited for a free lunch, somewhat naive. I thought BASC was a professional organisation! What were you expecting? Thanks, if there is an update on this topic from BASC I will share it. BASC works with a wide range of organisations on many different projects. As per the OP BASC is considering the wider implications of the video and its potential impact on the Association’s future relationship with the WWT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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