Just a thought

[Scully]

I’ve had this thought for some time really, but thought I’d voice it now particularly in light of potential impending legislation where all shotguns are classed as S1 and therefore require ‘good reason’. 
Does anyone have any idea how viable  ( in terms of attracting revenue ) it would be for clay grounds to hold ‘semi auto’ only or ‘pump’ only competitions? 
It would give many people their ‘good reason’ ( if goal posts are moved and ‘sporting use’ no longer fits the bill ) possibly boost sales and generally just add something positive to the overall outlook. 
I've seen the odd ‘auto’ only shoot advertised, but very rarely and nothing at all on a regular basis, so I’ve possibly answered my own question, but it may generate interest? Just a thought. 🤷‍♂️

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Northampton S. G. at Sywell hold regular Semi-Auto competitions but will not allow Pump-Action shotguns to be used.

[Westley]

I shall go with the 'medicinal reasons'.

IE :-  Knackered neck and shoulder,  which sometimes necessitates the use of a gas operated semi auto, to reduce recoil.

[Feltwad]

35 minutes ago, Scully said:

I’ve had this thought for some time really, but thought I’d voice it now particularly in light of potential impending legislation where all shotguns are classed as S1 and therefore require ‘good reason’. 
Does anyone have any idea how viable  ( in terms of attracting revenue ) it would be for clay grounds to hold ‘semi auto’ only or ‘pump’ only competitions? 
It would give many people their ‘good reason’ ( if goal posts are moved and ‘sporting use’ no longer fits the bill ) possibly boost sales and generally just add something positive to the overall outlook. 
I've seen the odd ‘auto’ only shoot advertised, but very rarely and nothing at all on a regular basis, so I’ve possibly answered my own question, but it may generate interest? Just a thought. 🤷‍♂️

A good idea but I am afraid it would not work but create   tension with other shooters which is sad 

Feltwad

[Scully]

13 minutes ago, Feltwad said:

A good idea but I am afraid it would not work but create   tension with other shooters which is sad 

Feltwad

I can’t understand why if every shooter was using the same mechanism? 🤔

[enfieldspares]

57 minutes ago, Scully said:

I’ve had this thought for some time really, but thought I’d voice it now particularly in light of potential impending legislation where all shotguns are classed as S1 and therefore require ‘good reason’. 
Does anyone have any idea how viable  ( in terms of attracting revenue ) it would be for clay grounds to hold ‘semi auto’ only or ‘pump’ only competitions? 
It would give many people their ‘good reason’ ( if goal posts are moved and ‘sporting use’ no longer fits the bill ) possibly boost sales and generally just add something positive to the overall outlook. 
I've seen the odd ‘auto’ only shoot advertised, but very rarely and nothing at all on a regular basis, so I’ve possibly answered my own question, but it may generate interest? Just a thought. 🤷‍♂️

Where I shoot a number of people have self loading guns as they have issues with recoil from conventional over and under guns. And these are far far better shots than am I. One indeed owns a ground that has well attended twice monthly one hundred bird registered shoots.

But I do not think that restricted classes where that day's events were for ONLY that one class would work as the financial benefit to the ground would be nil. The same as, sad to say, you don't see many .410 only competitions. No SCULLY I fear that unless there's money in it that it won't get taken up.

The biggest "good reason" for a self loading gun is set to be steel shot and the cheapness of replacing a damaged barrel and I think that of itself would be sufficient good reason. Certain guns for use with bismuth and one or two others as hacks for use day in and day out with steel. Indeed even identical guns.

Thus my late father's gun I'll use bismuth but I've a cheap Belgian side by side that weighs and handles near enough the same to use for practice with steel. The same as I will do with my AYA No4 and my Yeoman Ejector. One for alternative non-lead (in its case tin shot) the other as a steel fed hack.

Edited 23 hours ago by enfieldspares

[TIGHTCHOKE]

35 minutes ago, enfieldspares said:

Where I shoot a number of people have self loading guns as they have issues with recoil from conventional over and under guns. And these are far far better shots than am I. One indeed owns a ground that has well attended twice monthly one hundred bird registered shoots.

But I do not think that restricted classes where that day's events were for ONLY that one class would work as the financial benefit to the ground would be nil. The same as, sad to say, you don't see many .410 only competitions. No SCULLY I fear that unless there's money in it that it won't get taken up.

The biggest "good reason" for a self loading gun is set to be steel shot and the cheapness of replacing a damaged barrel and I think that of itself would be sufficient good reason. Certain guns for use with bismuth and one or two others as hacks for use day in and day out with steel. Indeed even identical guns.

Thus my late father's gun I'll use bismuth but I've a cheap Belgian side by side that weighs and handles near enough the same to use for practice with steel. The same as I will do with my AYA No4 and my Yeoman Ejector. One for alternative non-lead (in its case tin shot) the other as a steel fed hack.

In registered competition the classes denote ability, there are no "classes" for small bores or self loading or pump action shotguns.

[Scully]

1 hour ago, enfieldspares said:

Where I shoot a number of people have self loading guns as they have issues with recoil from conventional over and under guns. And these are far far better shots than am I. One indeed owns a ground that has well attended twice monthly one hundred bird registered shoots.

But I do not think that restricted classes where that day's events were for ONLY that one class would work as the financial benefit to the ground would be nil. The same as, sad to say, you don't see many .410 only competitions. No SCULLY I fear that unless there's money in it that it won't get taken up.

The biggest "good reason" for a self loading gun is set to be steel shot and the cheapness of replacing a damaged barrel and I think that of itself would be sufficient good reason. Certain guns for use with bismuth and one or two others as hacks for use day in and day out with steel. Indeed even identical guns.

Thus my late father's gun I'll use bismuth but I've a cheap Belgian side by side that weighs and handles near enough the same to use for practice with steel. The same as I will do with my AYA No4 and my Yeoman Ejector. One for alternative non-lead (in its case tin shot) the other as a steel fed hack.

That’s what I was asking for; experience of viability. I intend to ask at Crabtree, Southwaite and Westlands, just to put some feelers out there and possibly sow a seed. 
Not sure steel shot would be an acceptable ‘good reason’ as that would preclude ‘good reason’ for other mechanisms wouldn’t it? 🤷‍♂️

[Feltwad]

1 hour ago, enfieldspares said:

Where I shoot a number of people have self loading guns as they have issues with recoil from conventional over and under guns. And these are far far better shots than am I. One indeed owns a ground that has well attended twice monthly one hundred bird registered shoots.

But I do not think that restricted classes where that day's events were for ONLY that one class would work as the financial benefit to the ground would be nil. The same as, sad to say, you don't see many .410 only competitions. No SCULLY I fear that unless there's money in it that it won't get taken up.

The biggest "good reason" for a self loading gun is set to be steel shot and the cheapness of replacing a damaged barrel and I think that of itself would be sufficient good reason. Certain guns for use with bismuth and one or two others as hacks for use day in and day out with steel. Indeed even identical guns.

Thus my late father's gun I'll use bismuth but I've a cheap Belgian side by side that weighs and handles near enough the same to use for practice with steel. The same as I will do with my AYA No4 and my Yeoman Ejector. One for alternative non-lead (in its case tin shot) the other as a steel fed hack.

Long before the lead and  steel shot issue the black  powder shooter was not allowed  at most clay shoots because which I have quoted to me many times they are dangers and disrupt other shooters  poor sportsmen who most times have not a clue on black powder guns. Today it is Autos and pump action that are refused  I can remember when  you rarely saw a under and over at a clay shoot  then  it was DTL 

Feltwad

[enfieldspares]

I think the same about side by side only clay shoots. That there would not be enough take up to make them viable. Yes there is an annual one at Markyate but I know of no others.

[Shadowchaser]

Is this actually going to happen or is it all just a panic over nothing? 

[Scully]

3 hours ago, Feltwad said:

Long before the lead and  steel shot issue the black  powder shooter was not allowed  at most clay shoots because which I have quoted to me many times they are dangers and disrupt other shooters  poor sportsmen who most times have not a clue on black powder guns. Today it is Autos and pump action that are refused  I can remember when  you rarely saw a under and over at a clay shoot  then  it was DTL 

Feltwad

The point I’m trying to make is for that mechanism ONLY, whether that be BP, Pump, auto .410 whatever, then EVERY shooter is in the same boat so to speak. 
I for one would certainly specifically buy a certain mechanism or bore just to qualify for that discipline. 🤷‍♂️

I have trap guns for that discipline which you wouldn’t shoot skeet with, and owned different handguns back in the day for particular disciplines.

Perhaps it’s something the CPSA should consider? 

10 minutes ago, Shadowchaser said:

Is this actually going to happen or is it all just a panic over nothing? 

It’s going to happen because there’s nothing to prevent it. 

[BobbyH]

Where has this ‘shotguns becoming section 1’ thing come from?

 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

6 minutes ago, BobbyH said:

Where has this ‘shotguns becoming section 1’ thing come from?

 

The government.

[BobbyH]

15 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

The government.

But has it been spoken about or anything like that?

Maybe time to give it up if it’s so bad as everyone makes out?

[Robden]

How much difference is there between now and the section 1 thingy?

[Newbie to this]

3 hours ago, Robden said:

How much difference is there between now and the section 1 thingy?

For clay shooting, you will have to be a member of a club that shoots clay pigeon and show use. Which means the club will have to log visits etc. Depending on the conditions added to the cert, you may only be able to go clay shooting on official club shoots.

Also if the ammo comes under section 1 it will mean storage in a secure cabinet, and restrictions on the number you can have at any one time. That will be for all. People storing 10,000 will not be happening.

Edited 6 hours ago by Newbie to this

[TIGHTCHOKE]

7 hours ago, BobbyH said:

But has it been spoken about or anything like that?

Maybe time to give it up if it’s so bad as everyone makes out?

No, I believe it was in the Labour manifesto in the run up to the last General Election and they are bringing it in.

 

That is EXACTLY what THEY want you to do.

Edited 5 hours ago by TIGHTCHOKE

[matone]

Semi auto comps already happen . Re viability the last one I saw advertised was at Blyton SG last autumn but was cancelled due to lack of entries!!!!!!

[Scully]

4 hours ago, Robden said:

How much difference is there between now and the section 1 thingy?

If it follows exactly the criteria for S1 as now, then all ammo purchases will have to be recorded on your ticket and there will be a maximum amount you can own and possess at any one time, and it will all have to be kept under lock and key. 
There will possibly be closed and open tickets. 
You will only be able to buy a shotgun if you have a slot on your ticket for such, so new applicants would be well advised to put down one of each bore they hope to possess, unless they’re happy to wait for variations and the time and cost those incur. 
If for example you own a .410 and you want another, unless you can show good reason for aquiring another ( such as different mechanism etc ) then you will have to sell the first, apply for a 1 4 1 variation before you can buy the other. 
The real problems start for owners who already own multiples of guns when they apply this retrospectively. 
Anyhow, those are potential examples; the entire matter may be rethought yet. 🤷‍♂️

[vmaxphil]

Not to mention the extra work for over stretched firearms departments 

[Jega]

12 minutes ago, vmaxphil said:

Not to mention the extra work for over stretched firearms departments 

And there in lies the excuse they need to ramp up the prices of certificates ,i.e. we need extra staff , more admin costs etc .